Where does the figure for a proton's rest mass come from?

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The discussion centers around the origin of the proton's rest mass value, specifically the figure of 1.67262171 x 10-27 kg. Participants explore the nature of this figure, whether it is a calculation or simply a number, and the historical context of how the mass of the proton was determined.

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  • One participant questions the origin of the proton's rest mass figure and seeks clarification on what kind of figure it is.
  • Another participant asserts that 1.67262171 x 10-27 kg is not a calculation but rather a number representing the mass of a proton.
  • Some participants discuss the nature of scientific notation, arguing about whether the figure is a calculation or simply a representation of a number.
  • A historical perspective is introduced, noting that the understanding of the proton's mass began with experiments using cathode ray tubes in the late 19th century, and mentioning the Penning trap as a later development in mass measurement.

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Participants express disagreement regarding whether the figure for the proton's mass is a calculation or merely a number. There is also a lack of consensus on the historical context and methods used to determine the proton's mass.

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Participants reference different experimental methods and historical milestones without resolving the specifics of how the proton's mass was derived or the implications of scientific notation in this context.

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The proton rest mass value calculation of 1.672,621,71?, times 10 inverse 27 kg, where does the figure originate from? What kind of figure is it?
 
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1.672,621,71x 10-27 is not a calculation; it is just a (very small) number.

1.672,621,71x 10-27kg is the mass of a proton.

Do you mean how did we determine how much a proton masses? Did you try Googling that to see where it leads you?

Hint: Read up a little on "Penning Trap".
 
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DaveC426913 said:
1.672,621,71x 10-27 is not a calculation; it is just a (very small) number.

1.672,621,71x 10-27kg is the mass of a proton.

Do you mean how did we determine how much a proton masses? Did you try Googling that to see where it leads you?

Hint: Read up a little on "Penning Trap".
It is a calculation. See that multiplication symbol in-between?
 
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recniabsal said:
It is a calculation. See that multiplication symbol in-between?
No, it's a NUMBER. Are you not familiar with exponential notation? Without units it is, as Dave said, just a number. When you add the units, it the mass of a proton, which is an experimental result, not something derived from something else.
 
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recniabsal said:
It is a calculation. See that multiplication symbol in-between?
It is a notation. Specifically, scientific notation - a way of conveniently representing large and small numbers.

2x103 is the same as 2,000.
2x109 = 2,000,000,000.

It is more compact than writing
"A proton masses 0.000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,001,672,621,71kg," but it is exactly equivalent to 1.672,621,71x 10-27kg.
 
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I think the basis of the first understanding the proton was the cathode ray tube of Eugene Goldstein in 1886. In essence, the tube was a simple mass spectrometer, also used by J J Thompson to study the electron. I understand that the Penning trap was not made to work until 1959.
 

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