Where does the heat of super-nova end up after black hole formation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the fate of heat produced during the formation of black holes from supernovae. Participants explore the relationship between the temperatures of neutron stars and black holes, the energy dynamics during and after a supernova, and the implications of black hole thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that neutron stars are extremely hot, with temperatures around 10E11 to 10E12 Kelvin, and question whether black holes formed from similar processes would retain comparable temperatures.
  • One participant asserts that the energy associated with the formation of a black hole cannot escape, thus contributing to the mass of the black hole.
  • Another participant discusses the energy radiated away during a supernova, including photons and neutrinos, and mentions that the remaining energy is in the form of mass, heat, or rotational kinetic energy.
  • There is a suggestion that black holes might have a temperature that is not absolute zero, as they absorb energy, and that this leads to complex thermodynamic behavior.
  • One participant references Stephen Hawking's work, indicating that black holes must have some small temperature due to energy dynamics with their surroundings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of black hole temperatures and the fate of energy during supernova events. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on how heat is managed during black hole formation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the thermodynamic properties of black holes and the processes involved in supernovae, but these assumptions are not fully explored or agreed upon.

Khursed
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When a massive star dies, you either get a neutron star, or a black hole.

From my lecture, neutron star are extremely hot object, with temperature around 10E11 to 10E12 kelvin.

I'd assume black hole created from a similar process with just more mass, wouldn't have temperature any lower.

But I also read that black hole have temperature proportional to their size, which for solar sized one is measured in nano kelvin.

So my question is, how does a black hole get rid of its birthing creation temperature?
 
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It doesn't. All that happens is the associated energy cannot escape, so it contributes to the mass of the black hole.
 
Black holes are so amazing -__-
 
Most of the energy of the supernova - including the case where a Neutrino star is remaining, is radiated away by photons and neutrinos. The remaining energy is either in the remnant's mass, heat, or rotational kinetic energy.
 
As said previously.. what you end up after a supernova are the SNR i.e supernova remnants the ingredients to the formation of heavier elements such as gold,etc. That's how we have got gold on our planet.

If my memory serves me right.. a flux of degenerate neutrons in a very short duration is radiated out, usually this would disintegrate but i think it forms heavier isotopes of different elements in a reaction called s-process.
 
Khursed said:
So my question is, how does a black hole get rid of its birthing creation temperature?

It swallows up all of the heat. Naively you'd expect a black hole to have a temperature of absolute zero since it eats up all of the energy falling into it. Where Stephen Hawking got his big start was to point out that this won't work without causing lots of heat problems, and so black holes have to have some small temperature.

If you put something really, really hot next to something really, really cold, you'd expect that energy to flow very quickly from the hot thing to the cold thing, which is what happens with a black hole.
 

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