Where is the mass of the joined squares?

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The discussion revolves around determining the center of mass (COM) of a system composed of joined square plates. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships and definitions related to the COM in a three-dimensional context.

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  • Participants attempt to calculate the COM using formulas involving coordinates and mass, while others question the definitions and variables used in these calculations. There is a discussion about modeling the individual plates and their respective centers of mass.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering hints and guidance on how to approach the problem. Some are exploring the implications of treating the mass of the plates as concentrated at their centers of mass, while others are questioning the use of certain variables in the calculations.

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There is a focus on understanding the geometric properties of the plates and their uniformity, which may affect the calculations. Participants are also navigating the definitions of mass and position in relation to the center of mass.

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I did Xcm=Lx/(xyz) Ycm=Ly/(xyz) Zcm=Lz/(xyz)

I modeled it from the equation CM=(mx+...)/M
 

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Sneakatone said:
I did Xcm=Lx/(xyz) Ycm=Ly/(xyz) Zcm=Lz/(xyz)

Is this your answer?
 
yes that is my answer
 
Sneakatone said:
yes that is my answer

What are x, y and z in these expressions?
 
I believe they are axis coordinates, but cas they also be mass?
 
Your answer shouldn't involve these variables.
Go back a bit - can you find the centre of masses of the individual plates?
 
L*L if your talking about one of the faces.
 
Sneakatone said:
L*L if your talking about one of the faces.
That's not the COM of the face.

Have a look at the bottom face - since it is a uniform square, then the COM must be at its geometric centre. The same for the other 2 faces.
Then replace each of the faces by a single particle at their COM - you can then combine these to get the overall COM
 
so would the faces turn to xy,xz,yz ?
 
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Sneakatone said:
so would the faces turn to xy,xz,yz ?
not sure what you mean?

Hint : The COM of the bottom piece is the point ( L/2, L/2, 0 )
 
  • #11
so the xz piece would be (L/2 0 L/2)
and the xy piece would be (0 L/2 L/2)
 
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Sneakatone said:
so the xz piece would be (L/2 0 L/2)
and the xy piece would be (0 L/2 L/2)
The second one here is the yz piece.

So, now just regard the mass of each piece as being concentrated at its COM and you end up with a system of 3 particles.
Then use the definition of the COM to find the overall COM of these 3 particles.
 
  • #13
will the combined mass be just L.
or will each axis (x y z) be the mass?
 
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Sneakatone said:
will the combined mass be just L.
or will each axis (x y z) be the mass?

?

Hint : in the xy plane, you can replace the piece of mass m with a particle of mass m at the point (L/2, L/2, 0).
Do the same for the other 2 pieces.
 
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xy=xL/2+yL/2+x0
xz=xL/2+y0+zL/2
yz=x0+yL/2+zL/2
 
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Sneakatone said:
xy=xL/2+yL/2+x0
xz=xL/2+y0+zL/2
yz=x0+yL/2+zL/2

I'm afraid this is not right :(
Why are you using x, y, and z?

What is the definition of centre of mass?
 
  • #17
center of mass is where the weighted position vectors to point sum is zero
 
  • #18
So, the CM is given by

[tex]\mathbf r_{CM} =\frac{1}{M} \sum m_i \mathbf r_i[/tex]

You have the position vectors ri for each of the 3 parts. Call the mass of each piece m and then apply the above equation.
 

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