Can Height, Shadow Length, and a Photo Reveal a Person's Location?

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Determining a person's location using height, shadow length, and a photograph is feasible but requires specific information. Knowing the time in UTC is essential, as it allows for calculations based on the sun's position. However, without orientation data (e.g., compass direction), the possible locations remain broad, with multiple longitude and latitude solutions available. The discussion highlights that accurate navigation, akin to 19th-century methods, is contingent on understanding both the azimuth of the sun and the hemisphere in which the photo was taken.

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I saw the following question in Yahoo Answers,

How do you know where in our planet is a person located, knowing her height, length of her shadow and having a photograph of her on the unkown location, knowing day-month-year and time the photo was taken?

Is it even possible to know this?
 
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If you have the time in UTC, sure.
 
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russ_watters said:
If you have the time in UTC, sure.
But with what error bars?

If you have no orientation information (which way is North?), then there is quite a wide band of longitude+latitude solutions, mirrored on each hemisphere.
 
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DrClaude said:
But with what error bars?
Accurate enough to navigate a ship in the 19th century...
If you have no orientation information (which way is North?), then there is quite a wide band of longitude+latitude solutions, mirrored on each hemisphere.
Good point; you would have to know the hemisphere, which maybe you could see from context in the photo.
 
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russ_watters said:
Accurate enough to navigate a ship in the 19th century...
Not without a compass :smile:

My point is that at any given time, the same stick length will give the same shadow length at many points on the globe. If you have no information on the orientation of the shadow, there is not much you can say.
 
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DrClaude said:
Not without a compass :smile:
Oh, you don't just mean the hemisphere. Yes, I see you're right; to get the longitude from the azimuth of the sun, you need the actual angle from north.

and...now that I think about it, without longitude (and with it local time) first, the altitude doesn't tell you latitude either.
 
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The azimuth just positions you somewhere on a circle that is centered on a point where the sun is directly overhead. A compass heading could position you on that circle.

Edit: if the ground is not level, your navigation could be way off.
 
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russ_watters said:
maybe you could see from context in the photo.
The one with the penguins in, perhaps.
 
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