Where there more planets being formed?

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The discussion revolves around the formation of planets in the solar system, specifically addressing the initial velocities of protoplanets and their subsequent fates—whether they remained in orbit, escaped, or fell into the sun. The scope includes theoretical models of planetary formation and gravitational interactions during this process.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that planets with suitable initial velocities were able to remain in orbit, while others may have escaped or fallen into the sun.
  • Another participant agrees that while some bodies may have fallen into the sun or escaped, most would not have had sufficient time to form before such events occurred.
  • A question is raised about the likelihood of bodies gaining or losing velocity to achieve escape or fall into the sun, indicating a need for clarification on the mechanics involved.
  • One participant mentions models suggesting that 50-100 protoplanets formed, with many colliding or being torn apart due to gravitational interactions, while few would be destroyed by the sun.
  • A later reply asserts that bodies that fall into the sun would not have had enough velocity to orbit it, and those that escape already possessed sufficient velocity.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms by which protoplanets could escape or fall into the sun, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain on the topic.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the specific conditions and interactions that would lead to changes in velocity for protoplanets, as well as the time constraints involved in their formation.

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I understand how planetary orbits are described by Kepler`s laws, and how planets in our solar system have the different orbital velocities that they have. But I was wondering that if those planets are just the ones that during the solar system creation, due to their initial velocities were able to stay in orbit, whereas others due to very high or very low initial velocities escaped or collapsed into the sun. Did this happened?
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Certainly yes, though most would not have had much time to form before crashing into the sun or escaping. But there is still smaller debris impacting the sun or other planets all the time.
 
Russ, is it very likely that many of these bodies actually fell into the Sun or acheived escape velocity? How would they gain/lose that much velocity?
 
I've seen models with 50-100 protoplanets being formed during planetary formation. Most of these collided or were torn apart from gravitational interactions with each other. Very few would be destroyed by the sun. Some would definitely escape orbit via gravitational interactions as well.
 
Drakkith said:
Russ, is it very likely that many of these bodies actually fell into the Sun or acheived escape velocity? How would they gain/lose that much velocity?
They wouldn't. If they "fall into the sun" they never had enough velocity to orbit the sun. If they escaped they already had enough velocity to excape.
 

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