Where to best increase efficiency?

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The discussion revolves around identifying processes, mechanisms, and applications of basic physics that could experience an increase in efficiency, with implications for societal benefits. Participants explore various domains including transport, energy storage, and natural processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that transport processes could significantly improve efficiency, noting the energy use and emissions associated with current transport methods.
  • Another participant proposes fuel cells as a specific mechanism with greater thermodynamic potential compared to combustion engines, while also suggesting that broader changes to mechanisms could yield larger improvements.
  • Utilization of natural processes, such as photosynthesis and genetic evolution, is proposed as a means to enhance efficiency.
  • Practical energy storage solutions, like clathrate hydrates, are mentioned as applications of basic physics that could improve efficiency.
  • Discussion includes a mention of fusion energy, with differing opinions on its feasibility and potential impact on efficiency improvements.
  • Concerns are raised about the current state of using plants as chemical factories, with one participant questioning the progress in this area.

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Participants express a range of views on which processes or mechanisms could be most effective for increasing efficiency, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the feasibility of proposed technologies, such as fusion energy and the use of plants as chemical factories, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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What processes, mechanisms or basic physics could experience an increase in efficiency best for world society?
 
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..processes? Obviously they could nearly all experience an increase in efficiency, so I say transport. In principle, shuffling and relocating material requires zero energy. In practice, energy use and associated emissions arising from transport processes are a major global problem.

..specific mechanisms? If I had to pick one, then it would be fuel cells because I think they have far greater thermodynamic potential than the widespread combustion engines. (But, greater magnitude improvements could generally be obtained by changing to different mechanisms, rather than further optimising individual mechanisms. E.g., more rail.)

..basic physics? "What basic physics could experience an increase in efficiency?" Hmm. "What purple could experience an increase in saltiness?" Nope, that makes no sense, what was it supposed to mean?
 
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cfrog,

I should have written "applications of basic physics."

Processes. I say utilization of natural processes, like photosynthesis and the genome, which evolution has tested and refined over billions of years.

Specific mechanisms. Fabrication of inexpensive computers for the Third World, toward a truer democracy, served up with plumpynut.

Applications of basic physics. Practical energy storage, as in clathrate hydrates like (H2)4CH4.

(Aside: will fusion ever work?)
 
You mean of course non destructive fusion like the ITER in France or the NIF in California, and though some think a technique of a fusion over unity release every 5 minutes will not work, I say yes. Big bucks though.

The super capacitor or such that can store electrically as much energy as a tank of diesel fuel at the same weight, yes, that would be the berries especially if we get fusion electrics.

The ability to use plants as chemical factories is in its infancy.

We need an easy to use technique, acceptable and easily understood, that enables the detection and rejection of ways of life based on BS.
 
minorwork said:
The ability to use plants as chemical factories is in its infancy.
If the chemicals you want are sugars, starch, vitamins etc then its infancy has lasted rather a long time.
 
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