Which Color Laser Burns Paper Fastest at Equal Wattage?

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The discussion revolves around the question of which color laser—red, green, or blue—burns paper fastest when all lasers are set to equal wattage (500 mW). Participants explore the implications of laser color on heat generation and burning power, touching on concepts from physics and optics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that while the wattage is equal, the spectral power of the lasers differs, potentially affecting their burning capability on paper.
  • One participant claims that the blue laser is the most powerful due to its higher energy per photon, suggesting it is more penetrating and damaging.
  • Another participant counters that a watt is a watt, arguing that for equal power, the ability to burn paper should be the same across colors, assuming equal absorption and reflectivity.
  • There is a discussion about the perception of brightness, with one participant noting that green lasers appear brighter to the human eye, which may not correlate with burning capability.
  • Some participants mention that the energy levels per photon vary by color, which could influence the effectiveness of burning, despite equal wattage.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential eye damage from lasers, particularly blue and green, emphasizing safety considerations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on which color laser burns paper fastest. There are competing views regarding the influence of spectral power and the implications of equal wattage on burning capability.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions, such as equal absorptivity and reflectivity of paper across the visible spectrum, and the relevance of photon energy levels. The discussion also touches on safety concerns related to laser use.

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I suppose this thread should belong to a separate group called Light - that is, I suppose this should be where Quantum Physics should be.

As for the question, I'd gladly explain that it is of a laser. I wanted to get a laser at Wicked Lasers (I know, with the LaserShades, of course), but here I'm stuck in a tight spot. Look, we have a red, green, and blue laser. The wattage we'll take to be around 500 mW for each laser. Now, if this is so, which one's beam is most powerful, by means of the heat generated on contact with a object? Red, green, or blue?

I'd also like to know why this is so, and if a difference in the wavelength causes it to have more or less burning power on say, for instance a piece of paper.
 
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Watts are a unit of power. So 500 mW is 500 mW - they have equal power.
 
Of course, the blue laser is most powerful in all respects out of the three.
 
How can that be? Are not watts watts?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
How can that be? Are not watts watts?

Of course not. We speak of spectral power. The blue light is more penetrating, more dammaging, more aggressive, if you like.
 
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Bob_for_short said:
Of course not. We speak of spectral power. The blue light is more penetrating, more dammaging, more aggressive, if you like.

Remember that the energy levels per photon are vastly different at different colors, the red might shoot twice as many photons as green but they hit half as hard- and as such may not be enough to have the desired effect of
univeruser said:
by means of the heat generated on contact with a object? Red, green, or blue?
Many solid state visible light lasers start as infra red, but progressively pass through lazing mediums that add the photons energy together and emit a new more powerful level of photon, and this process continues to the desired color. And Bob is also certainly correct that blue is the most aggressive of the three.

Do not scoff at how extremely damaging to the eyes lasers can be- particularly with green and blue if you are close enough to the target (based on reflectivity properties) you can get eye damage (not just looking into the emission) even a paltry 100mw red laser can do far more damage then staring at the sun across a very small area, so you will not notice how much damage you accrue until it is too late. A more powerful one can instantly blind you.
 
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Bob_for_short said:
Of course not. We speak of spectral power. The blue light is more penetrating, more dammaging, more aggressive, if you like.

Aggressive? Awfully anthropomorphic, no?

Blue light carries more energy per photon than red light, to be sure. But for equal power, there are fewer photons per second of blue light than red light.

Asking which has more power, a watt of red light or a watt of blue light is like asking which weighs more: a pound of feathers or a pound of rocks. A pound is a pound. And a watt is a watt.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
...which weighs more: a pound of feathers or a pound of rocks. A pound is a pound. And a watt is a watt.

If a pound is a measure of mass, then a pound of feathers weights less than a pound of rocks, because the weight is (mg - Archimedes force). For rocks the Archimedes force is smaller.

About radiation: which is better absorbed - infrared or X ray?

In non-equilibrium state the absorption power is proportional to T24-T14. Obviously this difference is higher for the blue colour.
 
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I'm firmly with the "500 mW = 500 mW" camp here. The question was about the ability to burn through a piece of paper, presumably white paper. I.e., pretty much equal absorptivity and reflectivity across the visible spectrum.

To burn, the paper must absorb a certain amount of energy per unit area. We have equal powers, equal absorption, and presumably the laser beams have equal cross sectional areas. So the paper gets to the same temperature in the same amount of time for any of the visible colors.

Count Iblis said:
A green laser beam is going to look brighter because our eyes are more sensitive to green light.

True. But the OP's question was not about which appears brighter, it was which can burn paper faster. The fact that our eyes are more sensitive to green is irrelevant. A white sheet of paper is equally sensitive to red, green, and blue.

Bob_for_short said:
Of course not. We speak of spectral power. The blue light is more penetrating, more dammaging, more aggressive, if you like.

If I read the OP's question correctly, it's not an issue of causing damage by photoabsorption. It's a simple matter of heating up paper to the point where it catches fire or starts charring.
 

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