1. Not finding help here? Sign up for a free 30min tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Which maths should I need for QFT?

  1. Feb 15, 2014 #1
    Thanks for all the help on my QFT question I posted earlier. I have a new question I am very much interested in understanding QFT at a much higher level without going back to college and was wondering which mathematics' in particular are needed to really understand QFT. I did attend Ohio State University for a year Honors level physics and did well with Calculus 1,2,and 3 b average let me know your thoughts. Thanks much.
    Sussan
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Feb 15, 2014 #2

    George Jones

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    In terms of mathematics, I would say a little complex analysis (e.g., contour integration), and the physicists' version of operators on Hilbert spaces.

    What about physics prerequisites? Have you some seen stuff on Lagrangians and Hamiltonians? These are used to formulate, and do calculations in, quantum field theories. And quantum mechanics? It would helpful to know quantum mechanics at the level of "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics" by Griffiths.
     
  4. Feb 15, 2014 #3
    Which maths should I need for QFT.

    Hi,

    Yes I am pretty much up on QM and a working knowledge of Feynman diagrams. As for Lagrangians and Hamiltonians not so much I have 'heard" of them. My IQ is 135 so "can" if need be learn fairly quickly.
    Sussan
     
  5. Feb 15, 2014 #4

    MathematicalPhysicist

    User Avatar
    Gold Member

    The Physicists' version differs from the mathematicians'?!

    Maybe different notation, but it's the same mathematics.
     
  6. Feb 15, 2014 #5

    jtbell

    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    ...but sloppier! :biggrin:
     
  7. Feb 15, 2014 #6

    George Jones

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    Most certainly. The mathematics of quantum theory is based on functional analysis, and I STRONGLY recommend that a person learning quantum theory not get bogged down with stuff like domains of self-adjointness of unbounded operators.
     
  8. Feb 15, 2014 #7

    jgens

    User Avatar
    Gold Member

    Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can chime in and answer this definitively, but my impression is that most operators appearing in QM and QFT are unbounded. On the other hand, while mathematicians certainly study unbounded operators, unless you really dig into the analysis literature most texts deal only with bounded operators. So aside from notation there are genuine differences in emphasis.
     
  9. Feb 15, 2014 #8

    George Jones

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    If two self-adjoint operators satisfy the canonical commutation relation of quantum theory, then at least one of the operators must be unbounded.
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2014
  10. Feb 15, 2014 #9

    bhobba

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    Exactly - its the difference between Dirac's Principles of QM and Von-Neumanns mathematical foundations.

    Its only of recent times have Dirac's methods been given the necessary rigor via Rigged Hilbert Spaces.

    To the OP you need to learn QM first.

    My suggested sequence is:

    Susskinds Theoretical Minimum to get you up to speed of Hamiltonians and such:
    https://www.amazon.com/The-Theoretical-Minimum-Start-Physics/dp/046502811X

    The Quantum Mechanics version:
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/046503667...TF8&colid=1IA6N7QF1N4LO&coliid=I3NRCJ0GYT58US

    Quantum Mechanics Dymystified:
    https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Mechanics-Demystified-2nd-Edition/dp/0071765638

    Then you need complex variables
    http://rutherglen.science.mq.edu.au/wchen/lnicafolder/lnica.html

    Quantum Field Theory Demystified
    https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Field-Theory-Demystified-McMahon/dp/0071543821

    Quantum Field theory In A Nutshell:
    https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Theory-Nutshell-Edition-nutshell/dp/0691140340

    Then you MIGHT be in a position to study a 'proper' textbook like Banks:
    https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Quantum-Field-Theory-Introduction/dp/0521850827

    BTW - forget this IQ 135 stuff. I have an IQ over that as well as an honors degree in math and QFT is HARD - really HARD.

    Thanks
    Bill
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 6, 2017
  11. Feb 15, 2014 #10

    WannabeNewton

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor

    Aha! Thank you very much for this link. I've been looking for a resource on contour integration for ages that isn't Boas or Arfken and these notes seem to fit the bill perfectly. Most of the other resources I've come across waste my time with proofs that I really don't care about.

    OP, check out the following notes and see for yourself how much of it you can and can't understand in order to gauge what you're missing: http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/dt281/qft/qft.pdf
     
  12. Feb 16, 2014 #11
    Thanks a bunch Bill,

    I will take every item you listed and study what I may try first and go from there. I do agree IQs though important to some extent are not everything.
    In the two slit experiment I kind of "felt" the answer was that being the objects were so small that the results were from the "looking" thus changing the outcome. Also had this "gut" feeling the "particles" were just waves not solid in any way "real" as it were just wave like functions that appear particle only in appearance and pretty much everything "real" was simply waves interacting in fashions that brought about reality as we know it. Then I heard about superposition and was surprised that this as well made total sense again and now have this "feeling" all "things" are in superposition again might be totally wrong but just feel this is "it".
    Let me know your thoughts.
    Sussan
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 6, 2017
  13. Feb 17, 2014 #12
    Learn math, mainly complex analysis and linear algebra by using Hassani. Learn Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics using Landau. Learn Quantum Mechanics using Shankar or Sakurai. Learn special relativity using Schutz. Then you'll be ready for QFT. Enjoy the ride!
     
  14. Feb 18, 2014 #13
    THANKS!! That's more than a mouth full, however will give it a go. Talk about cutting to the chase. Again thanks a load.
    Sussan

    ps Will this book
    Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences by Mary L. Boas work on it's own?
     
  15. Feb 18, 2014 #14
    I haven't read that book but it should be alright as long as

    1. It covers complex analysis, including contour integrals
    2. Fourier series and transforms
    3. Greens functions
    4. Linear algebra, with emphasis on inner product spaces.

    Hassani has a pretty decent coverage of these topics, and does so using QM and QFT notation.

    Also, the choice of Landau for Mechanics may be a little difficult for a first go, but I don't know of any good undergraduate level text covering Lagrangian and Hamiltonians that also has a good coverage of symmetries, conservation laws and the Noether procedure, i.e the tools that are useful for QFT. Maybe Hand & Finch. Taylor is a decent and easy going text. It doesn't really emphasize the previously stated topics, but may still be worth going through.
     
  16. Feb 19, 2014 #15
    Thanks a bunch again!!
    My dad was or should I say still is though he has been gone a long, long, time a Nobel Laureate and Physics was his "thing" wish I would of asked all these questions when he was alive (only if one knows what the future would bring ). Thanks Sussan
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook