Which of these logarithms has the biggest value?

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The discussion revolves around comparing the values of logarithms of consecutive integers, specifically from log base 2015 to log base 2020. Participants are exploring ways to determine which logarithm has the largest value without direct calculation.

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  • Some participants suggest manipulating logarithmic properties and identities to compare values. Others express uncertainty about the ratios of the logarithms as both numerators and denominators increase. There is a proposal to analyze the function f(x) = log_x(x+1) to investigate its behavior.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing thoughts on potential approaches and expressing challenges in understanding the relationships between the logarithmic values. A suggestion to analyze a function has been positively received, indicating a productive direction in the exploration.

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Participants are working within the constraints of not using calculators and are questioning the assumptions related to the behavior of logarithmic functions as the base and argument change.

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Homework Statement
Which one is the biggest?
a. ##\log_{2015}2016##
b. ##\log_{2016}2017##
c. ##\log_{2017}2018##
d. ##\log_{2018}2019##
e. ##\log_{2019}2020##
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Is there any way to answer the question without just calculating it using calculator, maybe manipulating the number using logarithm properties?

Thanks
 
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Can you see which one must be largest? You could prove it use log identities.
 
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PeroK said:
Can you see which one must be largest? You could prove it use log identities.
I can't, without using calculator

##\log_{2015}2016=\frac{\log 2016}{\log 2015}##

##\log_{2016}2017=\frac{\log 2017}{\log 2016}##

##\log_{2017}2018=\frac{\log 2018}{\log 2017}##

##\log_{2018}2019=\frac{\log 2019}{\log 2018}##

##\log_{2019}2020=\frac{\log 2020}{\log 2019}##

From option (a) to (e), both numerator and numerators become larger so I don't know about their ratio.Trying to change it into index form:
##\log_{2015}2016=a \rightarrow 2016 = 2015^{a}##

##\log_{2016}2017=b \rightarrow 2017 = 2016^{b}##

##\log_{2017}2018=c \rightarrow 2018 = 2017^{c}##

##\log_{2018}2019=d \rightarrow 2019 = 2018^{d}##

##\log_{2019}2020=e \rightarrow 2020 = 2019^{e}##

What logarithm properties do I need to use to find the order of the number?

Thanks
 
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songoku said:
I can't, without using calculator

##\log_{2015}2016=\frac{\log 2016}{\log 2015}##

##\log_{2016}2017=\frac{\log 2017}{\log 2016}##

##\log_{2017}2018=\frac{\log 2018}{\log 2017}##

##\log_{2018}2019=\frac{\log 2019}{\log 2018}##

##\log_{2019}2020=\frac{\log 2020}{\log 2019}##

From option (a) to (e), both numerator and numerators become larger so I don't know about their ratio.
What about letting ##f(x) = \log_{x}(x+1) = \frac{\log (x+1)}{\log x}## and showing that ##f(x)## is a decreasing function?
 
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PeroK said:
What about letting ##f(x) = \log_{x}(x+1) = \frac{\log (x+1)}{\log x}## and showing that ##f(x) is a decreasing function?
This is brilliant (I will never be able to think towards this direction).

Thank you very much PeroK
 

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