Which physics for physical chemistry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relevance and necessity of algebra-based versus calculus-based physics for students pursuing physical chemistry (PCHEM) within the context of their academic paths in biology and chemistry. Participants share their experiences and concerns regarding their physics coursework and its implications for their future studies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Christian expresses uncertainty about the usefulness of algebra-based physics for his minor in chemistry and math, especially since he plans to take PCHEM after completing partial differential equations.
  • One participant recommends calculus-based physics, arguing that it aligns better with a strong math background and facilitates understanding of physical concepts.
  • Another participant shares a negative experience with calculus-based physics, stating that the lack of calculus use by their professor hindered their learning, leading to a poor grade.
  • A participant questions Christian's overall approach to his studies, suggesting that his challenges may extend beyond just the choice of physics course.
  • Christian clarifies that he has transferred schools and completed calculus 2, now progressing to calculus 3, emphasizing his desire to understand physics in relation to biology.
  • Some participants note that the biology major requires algebra-based physics, suggesting that students should follow their major's requirements.
  • Another participant mentions that understanding physics is not strictly dependent on calculus for investigating its role in biology.
  • Questions are raised about the prerequisites for PCHEM courses at various universities, particularly regarding the requirement for algebra/trig-based versus calculus-based physics.
  • A participant recounts their experience as a chemistry major, indicating that they were required to take calculus-based physics but are considering discussing options with the PCHEM professor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the necessity of calculus-based physics for success in physical chemistry. While some advocate for calculus-based courses, others argue that algebra-based physics suffices, particularly for biology majors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for students in similar situations.

Contextual Notes

There are varying assumptions about the role of calculus in understanding physics concepts, and participants' experiences with different professors and course structures influence their perspectives. Additionally, the discussion reflects individual academic paths and the impact of external support systems on learning outcomes.

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Hey guys,

I was wondering if algebra based physics will be useful or I will be in a disadvantage? I’m doing a minor in chemsitry and math. So I’m not sure when I will take PCHEM. Probably after partial differential equations I will take it. I’m hoping to take it in fall 2019 or spring 2020.im a tranafer student who recently changed major to biology.

Thanks,
Christian

NOTE: I’m asking becaaue I will be taking general physics 1 and 2 in the summer 2018
 
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I would recommend calculus-based physics. You will have more than enough math background for that and the physical concepts will be easier for you to grasp. People like you with a strong math background are sometimes baffled by the subterfuges that are used in algebra-based physics courses to get around the calculus; they don't see what's going on until it's explained to them using calculus. I saw this happen when I taught an algebra-based course. Once I used calculus to explain the same ideas, the students immediately "saw the light". So you might as well do it right from the beginning. In my opinion, algebra-based intro physics courses are easier only for those who have no calculus background.
 
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The problem is that my professor at the university didn’t really use calculus for the physics class. I took the calculus based physics and I didn’t learn nothing. I got a bad grade (F) that’s because I didn’t have the resources and help. My mom already hired a tutor for me to go over from Scratch starting chapter 1 and hopefully end by chapter 3. I could take the calculus based physics again, but will it benefit me from taking the same professor twice?
 
I think you have bigger issues than just what class to take. You don't like Halliday and Resnick, you don't like your professor, Mommy hired a tutor and you still failed, somehow unlike the students who passed, you didn't have "the necessary resources and help" (I note in passing you have made zero posts in the homework help section), and yet you want to transfer into Penn State (an extrfemely difficult transfer), and you've been on about this for two years.

I think you need to understand why what you are doing isn't working.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
I think you have bigger issues than just what class to take. You don't like Halliday and Resnick, you don't like your professor, Mommy hired a tutor and you still failed, somehow unlike the students who passed, you didn't have "the necessary resources and help" (I note in passing you have made zero posts in the homework help section), and yet you want to transfer into Penn State (an extrfemely difficult transfer), and you've been on about this for two years.

I think you need to understand why what you are doing isn't working.

I actually transferred to University At Albany. This was my first time I took Physics and sat through the class. I did take Physics at my community college but withdrew because my calculus wasn't very good. Now 2017, I finished calculus 2 this semester and going to calculus 3. There are students out there who don't have their parents support. I'm very glad and appreciate that I have parents that care for me. I just don't want to pass physics and get a good grade. I want to understand and see how physics plays a role in Biology.

I'm now in majoring biology with a minor in chemistry and math.
 
My biology major requires the algebra-based physics.
 
Geo_Zegarra2018 said:
My biology major requires the algebra-based physics.
Then take what your major requires. You don't really need calculus to investigate the role that Physics plays in Biology.
 
kuruman said:
Then take what your major requires. You don't really need calculus to investigate the role that Physics plays in Biology.

I'm interested in taking PCHEM because having a minor in chemistry who is interested in going to grad school for Atmospheric chemistry or chemistry. Some schools require PCHEM
 
What do you get when you follow the chain of prerequisites for your university's PCHEM course?

Does your university require chemistry majors to take algebra/trig-based physics or calculus-based physics?
 
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jtbell said:
What do you get when you follow the chain of prerequisites for your university's PCHEM course?

Does your university require chemistry majors to take algebra/trig-based physics or calculus-based physics?

When I was a chemistry major I had to take the calculus-based physics. However, I think if I talk to the professor who teaches PHCEM. If I can take the Algebra-based physics. That way I don't get behind because if i wait to retake the calculus-based physics it won't be until fall 2018.
 

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