Which steps with my calculator are needed to obtain result in radians?

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The discussion centers around the steps needed to obtain results in radians using a specific calculator model, the Kooltech CPC-400N, which is similar to the Casio fx-82MS. Participants explore the limitations of their calculators in displaying results in terms of π and discuss methods for converting numerical results into symbolic forms.

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  • One participant notes that the calculator performs numerical computations and suggests dividing the numerical result by π to express it in terms of π.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how to obtain the symbolic result of π/4 from the numerical output of 0.785398163.
  • A participant mentions that calculators like the Casio fx-82MS cannot display results in fractional form and recommends using a model with a natural textbook display for that purpose.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of dividing by π to find how many times π fits into the numerical result.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of using the atan2 function for calculating the argument of a complex number, highlighting the need to consider the signs of the real and imaginary parts.

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Participants generally agree on the limitations of the calculator model discussed and the method of dividing by π to express results in terms of π. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to handle complex numbers, as some participants express uncertainty about that topic.

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The discussion reflects limitations in calculator functionality, particularly regarding symbolic versus numerical outputs, and the need for specific models to achieve desired results. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the calculation of complex number arguments.

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I've read more than one time the guideline, but not obtained the result related to ##\pi##
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##\arccos{\dfrac{\sqrt{2}}{2}}\mbox{rad}=\dfrac{\pi}{4}\mbox{rad}##
This is a trigonometric true, but I've read the steps in my guideline, and I don't manage. The calculator is a chinese Kooltech CPC-400N, an imitation of Casio fx-82MS. It should work similarly.
I enter the data, and the result is 0,785398163. Right, but, how could I obtain ##\dfrac{\pi}{4}##?
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The calculator makes numerical computations, not symbolic ones. To get the results in terms of π, you have to divide by it.
 
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Thank you very much, DrClaude! Understood. Divided by ##\pi##, ##0,249999999\Rightarrow{\dfrac{\pi}{4}}##
Greetings!
PD: You meant multiply and divide by ##\pi##, isn't it?
 
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Thank you very much, DrClaude! Understood. Divided by ##\pi##, ##0,249999999\Rightarrow{\dfrac{\pi}{4}}##
Greetings!
PD: You meant multiply and divide by ##\pi##, isn't it?
You divide by π to get the multiplicative factor to apply to π.
 
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mcastillo356 said:
I enter the data, and the result is 0,785398163. Right, but, how could I obtain ##\dfrac{\pi}{4}##?
You can't if you use Casio fx-82MS (or a clone) that has S-VPAM. For displaying fractions, you need a calculator with a natural textbook display (natural-VPAM), like fx-991ES plus.

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Thank you, Wrichik Basu (good image)!
DrClaude, I've understood: if I divide by ##\pi##, the result is how many times 0,785398163 contains ##\pi##. Left aside my poor english, I'm I right?
 
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DrClaude, I've understood: if I divide by ##\pi##, the result is how many times 0,785398163 contains ##\pi##. Left aside my poor english, I'm I right?
Yes.
 
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Thank you very much, Lnewqban! Still there is something I would like to ask... I will leave it for a while; I want to try if I can manage. It's another thread: how to calculate the unique phase of a complex number, that's it, ##\mbox{arg}## in the interval ##(-\pi,\pi]##, ##\mbox{Arg}##
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You are welcome, Castillo. :smile:
Sorry, I know nothing about argument.
 
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Some calculators have an atan2 function or similar that takes care of the sign, otherwise you need to do that manually. Calculate the arctangent of (imaginary part/real part) and then add/subtract pi as needed based on the sign of the imaginary and real part.
 
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