Who do you think is more intelligent : Hawking or Tesla?

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The discussion centers on the comparison of intelligence between Stephen Hawking, a cosmologist, and Nikola Tesla, an engineer. Participants explore the criteria for intelligence, the significance of each figure, and the implications of comparing individuals from different fields. The conversation includes various perspectives on the value of such comparisons and the nature of intelligence itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that comparing Hawking and Tesla is inherently flawed due to their differing fields and the ambiguous definition of intelligence.
  • Others suggest that intelligence is a reification of various abilities, making direct comparisons pointless.
  • A few participants challenge the significance of Tesla, claiming he was overrated and not comparable to great physicists of his time.
  • Some assert that Tesla's contributions, while significant, are often exaggerated in popular culture, distinguishing between the real inventor and the mythical figure.
  • There are claims that Tesla was a brilliant engineer and inventor, with notable achievements in AC power systems and remote control technology.
  • Participants express differing opinions on who might be considered the most intelligent person in history, with names like Einstein and Archimedes mentioned.
  • Some responses indicate that the question itself is seen as trivial or nonsensical, with analogies to other comparisons like superheroes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the comparison of Hawking and Tesla, with multiple competing views on the significance and intelligence of both figures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the criteria for intelligence and the validity of the comparison.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include the lack of a clear definition of intelligence, the subjective nature of the comparison, and the potential overemphasis on popular myths surrounding Tesla's legacy.

  • #31
russ_watters said:
Those two are basically the same contribution. It's a good one though.

Agreed, kinda. As long as it took to get from there to here, I'm not sure it can be considered a direct connection.

"Important" is a bit vague. He'd probably make a top 100 list of "important" engineers/inventors based on his one big invention, but I'm not sure it would be easy.
I forgot to mention he engineered and oversaw the construction of the world's first hydroelectric plant at Niagra Falls. That paved the way for Hoover Dam, and the soon to be Three Gorges in China. It was an important proof of concept.

As for the drones, Tesla actually built and demonstrated a remote controlled submarine, which he tried to sell to the military. In the gap between, remote control was relegated to, and developed for, what are basically toys, but eventually the military did take it up, proving he had the right idea about what to do with it. Not always the case with his inventions.
 
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  • #32
Matterwave said:
I am most offended by the comment that Batman is not the strongest one between Superman and the Hulk. The answer is always batman guys.
I take it that you never read the collaborative Giant magazine of "Superman vs. The Amazing Spider-Man: The Battle of the Century." I have the version signed by Stan Lee and Carmine Infantino. Batman just ain't in the same universe...
I was unaware of the Superman/Hulk thing, but I'll sure read it if I ever get the chance.
 
  • #35
phinds said:
That looks more like a puff-piece for Tesla, designed to sell books, than a serious discussion of his scientific merit
This is the best Tesla biography I read about him. In the end of a book there is actually a chapter where renowned experts in engineering and science evaluate Tesla's contribution. Also, this book has many references and citations and very few flaws.
 
  • #36
zoki85 said:
This is the best Tesla biography I read about him. In the end of a book there is actually a chapter where renowned experts in engineering and science evaluate Tesla's contribution. Also, this book has many references and citations and very few flaws.

Well, I haven't read it so should hold judgement. It's hard because there's this sort of cult of mythology that has grown up around Tesla in the popular press that makes him out to be a FAR more influential figure than he actually was. There are a lot of threads on this forum that discuss this and the consensus is clearly that he is seriously overrated.
 
  • #37
It's not Tesla's fault that he's seriously overrated. It's Tesla's own fault that he's overrated. He spent much effort in creating the myth of Tesla, and he was good at it. However, he actually did contribute much to the electrification of the world, and the electrified world is a very different place than the world before it.

It's hard to say what Hawking has contributed, but he functions as a poster boy for physics, much like Tesla was a poster boy for electrical invention.
 

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