Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Whole spectrum of body types

  1. Mar 13, 2017 #1
    There is a whole spectrum of human body types but they can pretty much be nailed down to 3 factors:

    Bone
    Fat
    and
    Muscle

    Of course skin plays a role and several other things play a role but those 3 I listed above are the primary factors.

    In fact, you can think of these as axes in 3D space. So you basically have a cubic spectrum.
    depositphotos_9955185-3D-Space-Coordinate-System-XYZ.jpg

    The way I personally think about it is that the X axis shown in red represents the muscle, the Y axis shown in green represents the fat, and the Z axis shown in blue represents the bone.

    The center of the cube, that would be like your general human physique. Rarely does someone have those equal proportions of fat, muscle, and bone and even if they do, they still tend towards underweight of overweight with those proportions.

    Here are the extreme ends:
    obese-woman-very-fat.jpg
    This would be almost 100% fat. Of course there has to be some muscle and bone for us to survive and move the way we do but still this would be very high up on the Y axis but very little on the X and Z axes. Ignoring the side effects of obesity, people with more fat are better swimmers than very skinny people because fat has a low density, lower than that of water, so these people would be very buoyant.

    muscular-dystrophy-2561.jpg
    Then there are the extremely bony people, very skinny. These are people with muscular dystrophy and/or anorexia. Neither one of them is good but anorexia is worse. If somebody like this was trying to swim, that person would probably fall down to the bottom because bone is very dense. High on the Z axis and low on the other 2 axes.

    th?id=OIP.GbTmcd5ZmBH0Z3mIiEWSCQDOEs&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300.jpg
    Then there is the best of the 3 extremes in terms of health, extremely muscular. These would be the bodybuilders. Robin, one of my fictional characters, can easily carry a male black bear and would fall into this muscular category. I don't know the density of muscle relative to water, otherwise known as the specific gravity of muscle, but I do know that these people would be very powerful swimmers and would thus go a longer distance than fat and bony people in the same amount of time. Fat as I described earlier is very buoyant so they would go further than bony people would. Bony people would most likely inch through the water, struggling so hard but eventually end up sinking and would need rescued from drowning or near drowning.

    But yeah as I said there is a whole spectrum of body types. And you could even make a 2D spectrum of the types of fat accumulation and body fat %.

    But going back to the 3D spectrum, there are so many body types, if I wanted to diagram it, where would I start?
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Mar 13, 2017 #2

    Dale

    Staff: Mentor

    Usually the Body Mass Index is used for this purpose. Yes, you could map it into 3 or more dimensions, but for most medical purposes that is excessive.

    I do know of some research looking at the health impact of visceral vs subcutaneous fat.
     
  4. Mar 14, 2017 #3

    jim mcnamara

    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    There are minimum and maximum limit points for each dimension, x, y, and z. Plus, as sort of a counterexample, the alimentary canal and heart are muscle. Lose much of either of those and survival becomes an issue. You do not gain much new alimentary tissue through exercise, you do lose some during starvation. Ditto internal organs. This is why anorexia nervosa patients are sometimes hospitalized. There is a certain minimum weight that adults cannot go beneath and survive without professional help. That is measured as @Dale indicates: BMI - in this instance the minimum appears to be less than the 4-5th percentile.

    Because different interventions are used there are a raft of considerations beyond BMI. The impacts of A. nervosa often have lifelong very negative consequences.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2907776/ <- a lot of review material.

    Also some of your ideas about the density of humans are not correct. Low fat, low muscle people do indeed have less density because they have proportionately more lung and GI volume per unit volume of the body entire. Plus, density is not fixed: alimentary gas volume and lung volume can change, altering density.

    Summary of a paper (behind a paywall ?:) ) https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-density-of-the-human-body
     
  5. Mar 21, 2017 #4

    Fervent Freyja

    User Avatar
    Gold Member

    No, those shouldn't be the primary factors. Gender should be the first category you impose. The differences in how bone, fat, and muscle affect body shape are considerable...
     
  6. Jun 22, 2017 #5
    I know that adding fat, muscle, and bone would lead to different results which is why I showed the 3 extremes of extreme obesity, anorexia/muscular dystrophy, and high visible muscle mass.

    Any gender can lead towards these extremes, it is just the tendencies that differ between males and females.

    Females tend towards obesity because natural selection made it so that famine did not equal miscarriage from starvation. They are also more likely to be anorexic and thus bony from weight loss. Muscularity is usually low in females due to a lack of testosterone.

    Males on the other hand tend towards muscular because the stronger the male is, the more likely it is that he will survive. Obesity is harder for males(at least obesity with a high body fat percentage, obesity from increased muscle mass isn't so hard though) as is anorexia.
     
  7. Jun 22, 2017 #6

    Drakkith

    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    What? I have serious reservations about this claim and the rest of the sentence.

    Obesity is not the same thing as having a slightly greater percentage of body fat, nor does it mean that women "tend towards obesity" more easily than men. In fact, a quick look into the issue seemed to reveal that the entire thing was a conflicted, muddled mess, with no clear consensus about if men and women should have different standards for measuring obesity, such as different BMI cutoffs, and other things. There also doesn't seem to be a consensus on how much the modern trends in men and women depend on social factors vs biological factors.

    Overall, the information I found regarding overweight and obesity rates in men vs women also seemed a bit conflicting. The overall trend seemed to indicate that a larger percentage of men were overweight or obese, but that a larger percentage of women were obese. Although, according to this article (see table 2), a larger percentage of men are obese until ages 60+ where women overtake men. The 60+ age group seemed to be the area which pushed women above men in the overall category. That certainly doesn't support your assertion.

    I also have serious reservations about these claims as well. I'm near-certain that I've read that the gender difference associated with anorexia is heavily dependent on social issues and far less on biological issues. If you have something that says otherwise I'd be glad to read it.
     
  8. Jun 26, 2017 #7
    Would you have another look at that table? That only appears true of the non-Hispanic black women 60+. The overall category puts 60+ men at 76.5 and 60+ women at 73.5, which is smaller for women in this category too.
     
  9. Jun 26, 2017 #8

    Drakkith

    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    That's the overweight and obesity combined (BMI>25) category. The obese (BMI>30) category has women over 60 at 42.3 and men over 60 at 36.6.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 26, 2017
  10. Jun 26, 2017 #9
    O.k., thanks.
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?
Draft saved Draft deleted