Why 4 years for M.Sci Theoretical Physics in UK?

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The discussion revolves around the structure and requirements of postgraduate education in theoretical physics in the UK, specifically focusing on the four-year M.Sci program, the pathway to PhD, and the differences between taught and research postgraduate courses. Participants express confusion regarding course durations, qualifications, and the implications of combined courses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the rationale behind the four-year duration for the M.Sci in Theoretical Physics, noting that the first three years align with a bachelor's degree, while the fourth year is a master's year.
  • There is a question regarding the duration of PhD programs, with some participants suggesting that they typically last between 3 to 4 years, but acknowledging that some may take longer.
  • Confusion arises about the nature of MSc programs, with participants questioning whether they are one or two years long, and how they relate to PhD studies.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the eligibility requirements for UK universities, particularly regarding IELTS scores and the qualifications needed for admission.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between postgraduate taught courses (leading to an MSc) and postgraduate research courses (leading to a PhD), with some participants seeking clarification on these distinctions.
  • Participants express confusion about the possibility of pursuing an MSc and a PhD simultaneously, with some noting that this is not typical in the UK system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the structure of the M.Sci program and the distinction between taught and research courses. However, there remains confusion and disagreement regarding the specifics of course durations, eligibility requirements, and the pathways to PhD studies.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the differences in educational systems between the UK and other countries, particularly regarding the structure of master's and PhD programs, which may affect their understanding of the UK system.

Who May Find This Useful

Prospective postgraduate students considering programs in theoretical physics in the UK, particularly those unfamiliar with the UK educational system and its requirements.

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I am going to apply for UK universities for postgraduate.

Why 4 years for M.Sci Theoretical Physics in UK?

4 years full-time Hon M.Phys

How many years for P.hd?

After full time M.sci or M.Phill 4 years I get Hon M.Phys ??

please tell me ?

Some universities offer some combined courses, What is the use of taking combined courses ?

-Mathematics with theoretical Physics.
-Applied math with theoretical Physics.
-Physics with theoretical Physics.


What should I take ?
I am confused ??
 
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SBC said:
I am going to apply for UK universities for postgraduate.

Why 4 years for M.Sci Theoretical Physics in UK?

An M.Sci is an undergraduate degree in the UK. As you have noted, it takes four years. The first three years are usually the same as the equivalent bachelor's degree, with the fourth year being the masters year.

If you already hold a bachelor's degree, you should look at taking a year long masters course (usually called an M.Sc), or going straight onto the PhD programme.

How many years for P.hd?
A PhD programme usually takes between 3 and 4 years to complete (though some people take longer).
 
cristo said:
An M.Sci is an undergraduate degree in the UK. As you have noted, it takes four years. The first three years are usually the same as the equivalent bachelor's degree, with the fourth year being the masters year.

If you already hold a bachelor's degree, you should look at taking a year long masters course (usually called an M.Sc), or going straight onto the PhD programme.


A PhD programme usually takes between 3 and 4 years to complete (though some people take longer).
I am going to complete my B.sc next year.
so, M.sc is one year ONLY ?
or 2 years of masters ??

How can I take m.sc with P.hd ?
 
SBC said:
so, M.sc is one year ONLY ?
or 2 years of masters ??

Most taught master's degrees in the UK are one year.

How can I take m.sc with P.hd ?

I'm not sure I understand: you want to take a masters degree at the same time as a PhD? Perhaps you're thinking of the US system where students regularly obtain "en route" masters degrees after completing their compulsory coursework. That doesn't happen in the UK. You can either take an MSc, and then apply for a PhD, or you can go straight from your BSc to a PhD (and probably have a list of courses you will be required to take in your first year).
 
cristo said:
Most taught master's degrees in the UK are one year.



I'm not sure I understand: you want to take a masters degree at the same time as a PhD? Perhaps you're thinking of the US system where students regularly obtain "en route" masters degrees after completing their compulsory coursework. That doesn't happen in the UK. You can either take an MSc, and then apply for a PhD, or you can go straight from your BSc to a PhD (and probably have a list of courses you will be required to take in your first year).
I will take P.hd after M.sc.
can I ? in fact in my country both are combined.

and how much do I need to score in IELTS ?
 
what qualification required for Uk universities ?

like IELTS ?

I want imperial,Manchester ...

what about Oxford and Cambridge ?

How can I know that I am eligible ?
 
what is postgraduate taught?
and postgraduate research ?
 
SBC said:
I will take P.hd after M.sc.
can I ?

Sure, you can do that.

SBC said:
what qualification required for Uk universities ?

like IELTS ?

Most of the better MSc courses demand a first class (UK) degree or equivalent. You will need to check individual websites to see whether or not your degree is classed as an "equivalent".

The Imperial website says this about the IELTS

An overall score of 6.5, with 5 in the Writing and Speaking modules.

link here: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/registry/admissions/pgenglish
 
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A postgraduate research course is a course leading to a PhD (for technical reasons, you're not classed as a PhD student until after the first or second year-- a bit like qualifiers in the US). A postgraduate taught course is a course leading to an MSc.
 
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cristo said:
A postgraduate research course is a course leading to a PhD (for technical reasons, you're not classed as a PhD student until after the first or second year-- a bit like qualifiers in the US). A postgraduate taught course is a course leading to an MSc.
what should I take ?
I am confused a lot !
 

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