Why Are Complex Numbers Essential for Finding Nth Roots of Numbers?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of complex numbers for finding the nth roots of numbers, particularly in the context of polynomial equations. Participants explore the implications of the algebraic closure of complex numbers and the fundamental theorem of algebra.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the role of complex numbers in finding all nth roots, suggesting it may relate to their representation as rotations in the plane.
  • Another participant explains that finding nth roots corresponds to solving the polynomial x^n - c, noting that real numbers are not algebraically closed, while complex numbers are, thus guaranteeing n roots for every polynomial of degree n.
  • A participant highlights the significance of the number i in achieving an algebraically closed field, describing it as a miraculous aspect of complex numbers.
  • There is a discussion about the phrase "the drop of water that makes the vase overflow," with participants clarifying its meaning and cultural context.
  • One participant questions whether the existence of n roots is dependent on the definition of i, proposing a hypothetical scenario where a different element could lead to n+1 roots.
  • Another participant clarifies that a polynomial of degree n can have at most n roots over any field, emphasizing that the fundamental theorem of algebra ensures this holds true for complex numbers.
  • There is a consensus that the fundamental theorem of algebra is not a direct result of the definition of i, but rather a broader mathematical principle.

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Participants generally agree on the role of complex numbers in finding nth roots and the implications of the fundamental theorem of algebra, but there are ongoing questions about the nature of roots and the definitions involved.

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The discussion touches on the limitations of definitions and the nature of polynomial roots, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the implications of defining different elements in relation to root finding.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying complex analysis, algebra, or anyone curious about the foundational aspects of polynomial equations and their roots.

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I'm slightly confused about why complex numbers are required to find all n roots of a number. Is it specifically because of the fact that you can represent complex numbers as a rotation of the plane? I understand why a number should have n roots, I'm just not sure which part of the definition of complex numbers allows this.

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Finding nth roots of a number c is the same as finding the roots of the polynomial x^n - c. The real numbers are not algebraically closed, meaning there are nonconstant polynomials that have no roots, such as x^2 + 1. The complex numbers are algebraically closed, so every polynomial of degree n has n complex roots. (They are in fact the algebraic closure of the reals.) It's kind of miraculous, actually, that adjoining a single element, namely i gives us an algebraically closed field.

One special class of roots are roots of unity, i.e. numbers such that \zeta^n = 1 for some positive integer n. For instance, suppose we're trying to find the cube roots of 2, considering the polynomial x^3 - 2. This has one real solution, namely the unique real number we have named \sqrt[3]{2}. However, there are 2 more complex solutions, namely \sqrt[3]{2} \zeta and \sqrt[3]{2} \zeta^2, where \zeta is a primitive cube root of 1, like e^{2 \pi i/3}.
 
"It's kind of miraculous, actually, that adjoining a single element, namely i gives us an algebraically closed field."

La goutte qui fait déborder le vase.
 
epsi00 said:
La goutte qui fait déborder le vase.

I had to look that one up. Literally "the drop of water that makes the vase overflow." Or as we say in the U.S., the straw that broke the camel's back.
 
SteveL27 said:
I had to look that one up. Literally "the drop of water that makes the vase overflow." Or as we say in the U.S., the straw that broke the camel's back.

it simply means that not all straws or drops have been created equal.
 
I'm just making sure I got this. So, the reason a number can have n nth roots when using complex numbers is because of the way that i is defined? So, if one defined some other different k, would it be possible to find say n+1 nth roots? I guess my question is: does the fact that the polynomial x^n - c =0 has n roots, something that holds true independent of the way complex numbers are defined?

Thanks!
 
Over any field (or integral domain), a polynomial of degree n can have at most n roots. So if we're dealing with the polynomial x^n -c (which is of degree n) over the real or complex numbers (or the rationals or integers), you can never have n+1 nth roots. But maybe you could if you were instead working over a ring that had zero divisors.

The fact that every polynomial of degree n over the complex numbers has exactly n roots is called the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_algebra" . Just to be clear, this is a nontrivial result and is not immediately obvious from the way i is defined. I don't think I saw this theorem until a couple months into my complex analysis class.
 
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Yes, I guess that was my basic question. The fundamental theorem of algebra is not a result of the way i is defined, right? So i had to be defined the way it is so that the fundamental theorem of algebra will hold...
 

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