Why Are Space and Time Considered the Three Dimensions of Our Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual understanding of dimensions in the universe, specifically questioning why space and time are considered the primary dimensions, while matter is not typically included as a dimension. Participants explore definitions and implications of what constitutes a dimension, as well as the relationship between matter, space, and time.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the classification of dimensions, asking why matter is not considered a dimension alongside space and time.
  • One participant suggests that a dimension could be understood as the various parts of what something is made of, linking this to the definitions of space and time.
  • Another participant argues that space is not "made" of anything but is simply geometry, challenging the notion that matter could be a dimension.
  • Participants engage in a thought experiment about counting dimensions and matter, questioning the utility of such counting.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of adhering to standard definitions in physics, suggesting that personal definitions may lead to confusion.
  • A later reply provides a brief explanation that dimensions describe locations, distances, and sizes of objects, asserting that mass is a property rather than a dimension.
  • One participant reflects on their learning process, noting that their class focuses more on the "what" rather than the "why" of physics concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and classification of dimensions, with no consensus reached on whether matter should be considered a dimension. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity in definitions and the potential confusion arising from personal interpretations of terms like "dimension." There are indications of varying levels of understanding among participants, particularly regarding the foundational concepts of physics.

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Why do we see the dimensions of our universe as 3 dimensions of space and time instead of space, time, and matter? (Or another variation)
 
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Jeffrey phalen said:
Why do we see the dimensions of our universe as 3 dimensions of space and time instead of space, time, and matter? (Or another variation)
In what way do you think matter is, or even could be, a dimension? What is your sense of what the word dimension even means?
 
phinds said:
In what way do you think matter is, or even could be, a dimension? What is your sense of what the word dimension even means?
Well a dimension to me would be the various parts of what something is made of. Space is made of height, width, and depth. Time is hard to explain for me but I understand the concept. I see how we group the two together, but that would also imply that matter is a byproduct of space and time. I guess the way I am looking at it right now electromagnetics sprout from matter and precieved in space over time.
 
Jeffrey phalen said:
Well a dimension to me would be the various parts of what something is made of.
Have you even done any research at all on what a dimension is or are you just deciding that you can make up your own definition?

Space is made of height, width, and depth.
No, space is not "made" of anything. Space is just geometry. H, W, and D are just ways of measuring things IN space.
Time is hard to explain for me but I understand the concept. I see how we group the two together, but that would also imply that matter is a byproduct of space and time.
No, it would not.

I guess the way I am looking at it right now electromagnetics sprout from matter and precieved in space over time.
and in what way does that make matter a dimension?

Jeffrey, in physics you can't(*) just make up your own definitions of things, you need to get straight on what standard terminology means.

* Well, you CAN, but it will not end well :smile:
 
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Jeffrey phalen said:
Why do we see the dimensions of our universe as 3 dimensions of space and time instead of space, time, and matter? (Or another variation)
This is not an answer, I'm just using your premise to try to count things...
Hmmm...
Space (height): 1 meter + 1 meter = 2 meters
Space (width): 1 meter + 1 meter = 2 meters
Space (depth): 1 meter + 1 meter = 2 meters
Time: 1 second + 1 second = 2 seconds

All ok and fine. And now...

Matter: 1 orange + 1 apple = ehh, what, 2 fruits? :confused:
(or 1 electron + 1 proton = what? 2 matter particles? What's the use of counting in this way, I wonder?)
 
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DennisN said:
This is not an answer, I'm just using your premise to try to count things...
Hmmm...
Space (height): 1 meter + 1 meter = 2 meters
Space (width): 1 meter + 1 meter = 2 meters
Space (depth): 1 meter + 1 meter = 2 meters
Time: 1 second + 1 second = 2 seconds

All ok and fine. And now...

Matter: 1 orange + 1 apple = ehh, what, 2 fruits? :confused:
(or 1 electron + 1 proton = what? 2 matter particles? What's the use of counting in this way, I wonder?)
I guess I'm thinking of it more atomically when
phinds said:
Have you even done any research at all on what a dimension is or are you just deciding that you can make up your own definition?

No, space is not "made" of anything. Space is just geometry. H, W, and D are just ways of measuring things IN space.
No, it would not.

and in what way does that make matter a dimension?

Jeffrey, in physics you can't(*) just make up your own definitions of things, you need to get straight on what standard terminology means.

* Well, you CAN, but it will not end well :smile:
I cannot argue with that, I guess I'm just realizing my class fully focuses on what and not why.
 
it sounds like you are still in school. this should help:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension

In short though, dimensions describe locations/distances/sizes of objects.

Mass is a property of objects, not a dimension.
 
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Jeffrey phalen said:
I cannot argue with that, I guess I'm just realizing my class fully focuses on what and not why.

Don't worry. Learning the what leads to the why. In other words, as you learn more about physics, the why questions will begin to be answered as you are able to put more and more laws together to see how the universe behaves. If I were never to have seen an american football game before, and one day my friend takes me to a game, I could ask why the score goes up by six sometimes but two at other times. To answer my question, my friend would have to explain how the game works. Once I learn how it works, the why questions are also answered.
 
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