Why are Sturm-Louville Functions Orthogonal Relative to a Weight Function?

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The discussion centers around the orthogonality of Sturm-Liouville functions relative to a weight function, ##\sigma(x)##, as presented in a mathematics textbook on partial differential equations (PDEs). Participants seek to understand the implications of this orthogonality in the context of function expansion and the properties of linear differential operators.

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  • One participant questions why the integral $$\int_\Omega \phi_n(x) \phi_m(x) \sigma(x) dx = 0$$ for ##m \neq n##, seeking clarification on the concept of orthogonality in this context.
  • Another participant explains that if ##\phi_m## forms an orthogonal basis with respect to a dot product defined by a weight function, then the orthogonality condition should hold by definition.
  • Some participants draw parallels to Fourier series, noting that sine and cosine functions are orthogonal, but express confusion regarding the role of the weight function ##\sigma(x)##.
  • A later reply discusses the self-adjointness of linear operators and how it relates to the orthogonality of eigenfunctions, emphasizing the importance of the weight function in this context.
  • Another participant suggests that one might start with the weight function and derive orthogonal functions consistent with it, mentioning Bessel functions as relevant examples in cylindrical coordinates.
  • Participants reference specific pages in their textbook that discuss the orthogonality relation and the role of the weight function in making operators self-adjoint.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of the weight function on orthogonality. While some agree on the definition of orthogonality, there remains uncertainty about the specific role and necessity of the weight function ##\sigma(x)## in the context of Sturm-Liouville theory.

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Participants highlight that the discussion is rooted in the properties of linear differential operators and their eigenfunctions, with specific attention to the conditions under which orthogonality holds. There are references to different types of weight functions and their implications for various special functions in mathematical physics.

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hi pf!

ok, so my math text for PDE's states the following theorem: $$f(x) = \sum_n a_n \phi_n (x)$$ for "nice enough" functions. however, the next theorem states that ##\phi_n (x)## and ##\phi_m (x)## are orthogonal relative to a weight function, ##\sigma(x)##. in other words, $$\int_\Omega \phi_n(x) \phi_m(x) \sigma(x) dx = 0 : m \neq n$$
can someone explain why this would be zero?

thanks!
 
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If [tex]\phi_m[/tex] is an orthogonal basis with respect to a dot product of the form:

[tex]<f,g> = \int fg w[/tex] for some weight function w then obviously by definition the above product should vanish since that's the definitino of orthogonal basis.
 
joshmccraney said:
hi pf!

ok, so my math text for PDE's states the following theorem: $$f(x) = \sum_n a_n \phi_n (x)$$ for "nice enough" functions. however, the next theorem states that ##\phi_n (x)## and ##\phi_m (x)## are orthogonal relative to a weight function, ##\sigma(x)##. in other words, $$\int_\Omega \phi_n(x) \phi_m(x) \sigma(x) dx = 0 : m \neq n$$
can someone explain why this would be zero?

thanks!

You should see this as a far-reaching generalization of Fourier series. Indeed, we have that

$$f(x) = \sum_n a_n \sin(nx) + b_n \cos(nx)$$

for "nice enough" functions, and the functions ##\sin(nx)## and ##\cos(nx)## are orthogonal in the sense that

$$\int_{-\pi}^\pi \sin(nx)\sin(mx)dx = \int_{-\pi}^\pi \sin(nx)\cos(mx)dx = 0.$$
 
Take a look at this.
 
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Shyan said:
Take a look at this.

This looks very similar to my text. I notice page 197-198 they use this orthogonality relation, but it's taken from the preceding theorem on page 189, part 3. But why is this the case. For sure it's true with sine and cosines. But then there's the ##\sigma##.

thanks for your help
 
micromass said:
You should see this as a far-reaching generalization of Fourier series. Indeed, we have that

$$f(x) = \sum_n a_n \sin(nx) + b_n \cos(nx)$$

for "nice enough" functions, and the functions ##\sin(nx)## and ##\cos(nx)## are orthogonal in the sense that

$$\int_{-\pi}^\pi \sin(nx)\sin(mx)dx = \int_{-\pi}^\pi \sin(nx)\cos(mx)dx = 0.$$
Yes, this is how I began to accept the theorem, but what about that ##\sigma(x)##? That's what threw me off.
 
joshmccraney said:
Yes, this is how I began to accept the theorem, but what about that ##\sigma(x)##? That's what threw me off.

The general theory of linear operators on an inner product space then says that if an operator is self-adjoint with respect to the inner product then its eigenvalues (if any) are real, and that eigenvectors corresponding to different eigenvalues are orthogonal with respect to the inner product. By definition, [itex]f[/itex] and [itex]g[/itex] are orthogonal with respect to an inner product [itex]\langle \cdot, \cdot \rangle[/itex] if and only if [itex]\langle f, g \rangle = 0[/itex], and the operator [itex]A[/itex] is self-adjoint if and only if [itex]\langle A(f), g \rangle = \langle f, A(g) \rangle[/itex] for every [itex]f[/itex] and [itex]g[/itex] in the space.

Now with suitable boundary conditions it can be shown that the second order linear differential operator [itex]\mathcal{L}_1(y) = (p(x)y')' - q(x)y[/itex] is self-adjoint with respect to the inner product [tex] \langle f, g \rangle_1 = \int_a^b f(x)g(x)\,dx.[/tex]

Consider now the most general linear second-order differential operator [tex]\mathcal{L}(y) = y'' + B(x)y' + C(x)y.[/tex] This can be put into self-adoint form by taking [tex] y'' + B(x)y' + C(x)y = \frac{1}{w(x)}\left( \frac{d}{dx}(p(x)y') - q(x)y\right)[/tex] where [itex]w[/itex], [itex]p[/itex] and [itex]q[/itex] can be found in terms of [itex]B[/itex] and [itex]C[/itex] as [tex] w(x) = \exp\left( \int B(x)\,dx\right), \\<br /> p(x) = \exp\left( \int B(x)\,dx \right), \\<br /> q(x) = - C(x) \exp\left( \int B(x)\,dx \right).[/tex]
It follows that [itex]\mathcal{L} = (1/w(x))\mathcal{L}_1[/itex] is self-adjoint with respect to the inner product [tex] \langle f, g \rangle_2 = \int_a^b w(x)f(x)g(x)\,dx.[/tex] (I suppose one should at some point prove that if [itex]w(x) > 0[/itex] on [itex](a,b)[/itex] then indeed this is an inner product). Thus if you include a weight function then you can apply Sturm-Liouville theory to any second-order linear differential operator, and the most frequent example in practice (aside from Fourier series) are the Bessel functions which arise in separable solutions of Laplace's equation in cylindrical polar coordinates and are the solutions of [tex] y'' + \frac{y'}{x} - \frac{\alpha^2}{x^2}y = \lambda y,[/tex] where [itex]\alpha[/itex] is a parameter and for which we find [itex]w(x) = x[/itex].
 
We don't know how your textbook motivated this, but in practice you might start with the function ##\sigma## and then derive some orthogonal functions that are consistent with it.

For example if you want to work in cylindrical coordinates, translating some physics into a double integral over an area is likely to include ##\iint \dots\, r\,dr\,d\theta## as the element of area, so you would probably want to take ##\sigma(r) = r##. In that situation, the relevant orthogonal functions are Bessel functions, not sines and cosines.

Most of the other "special functions" in mathematical physics (e.g. Legendre, Laguerre, and Chebyshev polynomials, etc) have similar orthogonality relations with different functions ##\sigma##. You can consider Sturm-Liouville theory as a generalization of all these "special cases".
 
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joshmccraney said:
This looks very similar to my text. I notice page 197-198 they use this orthogonality relation, but it's taken from the preceding theorem on page 189, part 3. But why is this the case. For sure it's true with sine and cosines. But then there's the ##\sigma##.

thanks for your help

Page 195, proof of theorem 6.9!
The weight function appears because sometimes you should multiply a function by the operator so that the operator becomes self-adjoint.
Just read the paper from beginning and you'll get your answer.
 

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