Why Are the Top Methyl Groups Not Chemically Equivalent?

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The discussion revolves around the chemical equivalence of methyl groups in a specific molecule, particularly focusing on why the top methyl groups are not considered chemically equivalent in the context of HNMR spectroscopy. The scope includes theoretical aspects of molecular structure and NMR analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the chemical equivalence of the top methyl groups, suggesting they should produce only two singlets in HNMR instead of three.
  • Another participant argues that the methyl groups are not equivalent due to their different positions and distances from the oxygen, as well as the inability to rotate.
  • A further contribution highlights that while the distances from the oxygen differ, the primary reason for the lack of equivalence is the positioning of one methyl group within the deshielding zone of the pi system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equivalence of the methyl groups, with some asserting they are not equivalent due to positional differences and others questioning the initial assumption of equivalence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact reasons for the observed NMR signals.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the implications of molecular geometry or the specific effects of the pi system on chemical shifts, leaving some assumptions unaddressed.

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I attached a picture of the molecule. My question is why are the methyl group at the top not chemically equivalent. The answer says that this molecule makes three singlets in HNMR but I was thinking it should make only 2 because the top methyl groups are chemically equivalent aren't they?




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They are not equivalent because each of the methyl groups are in different positions (ie different distance from the oxygen). Also they cannot rotate.
 
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The distance of the two bridge methyls are certainly different distances (through space) from the oxygen but the largest effect is due to the position of one of the methyls in the deshielding zone of the pi system.
 
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Oh I see. Thank you so much!
 

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