Why Are There No Down/Anti-Down Mesons?

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The discussion centers on the absence of down/anti-down mesons in particle physics, exploring the implications of quark masses and the nature of meson composition. Participants examine theoretical aspects and the characteristics of mesons, including their quark content and interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while there are charm/anti-charm and strange/anti-strange mesons, down/anti-down mesons are not explicitly listed, leading to the question of their absence.
  • Neutral pions are mentioned as linear combinations of up/anti-up and down/anti-down quarks, suggesting a relationship between these quark pairs.
  • One participant emphasizes that the up and down quarks have very similar masses, which may allow for the interchangeability of quark pairs without violating conservation laws.
  • Another participant proposes that the light unflavored neutral hadrons are superpositions of up/anti-up and down/anti-down quarks, indicating that they do not exist as distinct entities.
  • It is suggested that the existence of mesons is influenced by the mass similarity of up and down quarks, leading to a single light meson state rather than separate down/anti-down states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether down/anti-down mesons exist as distinct entities or if they are represented as superpositions within other mesons. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of quark mass similarities on meson composition.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of meson composition and the role of quark mass in determining particle states, with some assumptions about conservation laws and quark interactions remaining unaddressed.

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In list of Mesons like this you see charm/anti-charm, strange/anti-strange and bottom/anti-bottom. You don't see up/anti-up or down/anti-down. Instead you see up/anti-down or (up/anti-up and down/anti-down) in supposition.

Why no down/anti-down meson?
 
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Ever heard of neutral pions? They are a linear combination of ##u\bar u## and ##d\bar d##. Then there are the eta mesons, which are linear combinations also involving ##s\bar s##.
 
Orodruin said:
Ever heard of neutral pions? They are a linear combination of ##u\bar u## and ##d\bar d##. Then there are the eta mesons, which are linear combinations also involving ##s\bar s##.

Yes, I mentioned in my original post: (up/anti-up and down/anti-down) in supposition.

The question remains about this particular meson: Why no down/anti-down meson?
 
Because the up and down quarks have such similar masses, which are very small in comparison to the mass of mesons. You can think of it like the strong interaction can replace a pair of ##u\overline{u}## valence quarks with a ##d\overline{d}## pair without violating any conservation laws.
 
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dukwon said:
Because the up and down quarks have such similar masses.
Makes sense. Does that mean
1. we just can't tell the up/anti-up and down/anti-down particles apart, or
2. the up/anti-up and down/anti-down particles do not exist by themselves and there exists only a single particle that is a linear combination (or supposition) of the two?
 
The second one. The light unflavoured neutral hadrons are superpositions of ##u\overline{u}##, ##d\overline{d}## and sometimes ##s\overline{s}##. Hadrons are dynamic interacting bound systems. If no conservation law forbids the changing of the valence quark flavours then it will happen.
 
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Another way to count particles: We have ##\pi##, ##\eta## and ##\eta'## and three light quarks - fits. The particles are not pure "one quark and its antiquark" states, and the extremely similar up and down masses lead to a single light meson (with negligible strange/antistrange content) and two that are a bit heavier (with significant strange/antistrange content).
 
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