Why Can We Freely Choose the Divergence of A in Electromagnetic Theory?

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The discussion revolves around gauge transformations in electromagnetic theory, specifically focusing on the implications of choosing the divergence of the magnetic vector potential A. Participants explore the relationship between gauge choices and their effects on the electric field E and charge density.

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  • Participants examine the invariance of the electric field under gauge transformations and question how the choice of divergence of A can affect physical quantities like charge density. They discuss specific gauges, such as the Coulomb and Lorenz gauges, and their implications for the equations governing E and B.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between gauge transformations and the resulting equations for the electric field. Some participants express understanding of the invariance of E under certain transformations, while others seek clarification on the implications of choosing different divergences for A.

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Participants note the complexity of simultaneous gauge transformations and their effects on the scalar potential and vector potential, highlighting the nuances in deriving equations like Poisson's and the d'Alembert wave equation.

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I understand the concept of a gauge transform, and I understand why it is that the magnetic field would be unchanged with the addition of the gradient of an arbitrary scalar potential onto the magnetic vector potential A, and I understand why the electric field E would be invariant under the following pair of gauge transforms:
phi=>phi+ (d(psi)/dt) and A=>A-grad(psi) where psi and phi are scalar potentials, A is the magnetic vector potential, and E=-grad(phi)-dA/dt.

What I don't understand is why we are completely free to choose the divergence of A in the time dependent case. It won't affect the magnetic field, but surely it will affect the electric field?
 
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No, the electric field will not be affected.
You will see this when you write out the equation. Basically, the extra term you get in the electric field is
-\nabla(\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial t} + \frac{\partial}{\partial t} (\nabla\psi)
 
Sorry, I should have been more clear. That part I understand. I understand why, if we begin with E=-grad(phi)-dA/dt and make the simultaneous gauge transforms, we have the same electric field. What I don't understand is the following:

Take the divergence of the electric field:

div E=-Laplacian(phi)-d/dt (div A)

By Gauss' Law:

div E=rho/epsilon

So my question is how I can freely choose div A when it affects an actual physical quantity (charge density). If I choose the Coulomb gauge, I get Poisson's equation. If I choose the Lorenz gauge, I get the d'Alembert wave equation. I understand why the Lorenz gauge is more convenient and useful in this case, since the Coulomb gauge specifies phi completely but makes A hard to calculate. I just don't understand why we are free to choose divA.
 
I don't quite see what you mean, sorry.
If the electric field does not change under a gauge transformation on (phi, A), then its divergence doesn't change either, does it?
I.e. if the change
\Delta E = -\nabla(\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial t}) + \frac{\partial}{\partial t} (\nabla\psi)
is zero, then
\nabla \cdot (\Delta E) = \nabla \cdot 0 = 0
vanishes as well, doesn't it.
 
I know. I'm just having trouble understanding how, say, the Lorenz gauge is actually related to the simultaneous gauge transforms shown above. In all the derivations I've encountered of the wave equations for E and B using the Lorenz gauge, like this one:

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node47.html

The author begins by saying that they are free to choose divergence, and then substituting the Lorenz gauge into div E=-Laplacian (phi)-d divA/dt. But he doesn't change the scalar potential. That's what I'm having trouble understanding. The gauge transforms require that both A and phi be changed, don't they?
 
Yes. Let's take a simple example, where phi = 0 and A = (x^2, y^2, 0).
The divergence is div(A) = 2x + 2y.

Let f(x, y) = x^2 y + y^2 x
Then grad f = (2 x y + y^2, x^2 + 2 x y, 0)
A - grad(f) = div(x^2 - 2 x y - y^2, y^2 - 2 x y - x^2, 0)
of which the divergence is
div(A - grad(f)) = (2x - 2y) + (2y - 2x) = 0.

In this case there is no explicit time dependence, so the scalar potential will not change, but in general it will.
The whole construction is set up in such a way, however, that E and B do not change.

Did I understand your question now?
 
adphysics said:
Sorry, I should have been more clear. That part I understand. I understand why, if we begin with E=-grad(phi)-dA/dt and make the simultaneous gauge transforms, we have the same electric field. What I don't understand is the following:

Take the divergence of the electric field:

div E=-Laplacian(phi)-d/dt (div A)

By Gauss' Law:

div E=rho/epsilon

So my question is how I can freely choose div A when it affects an actual physical quantity (charge density). If I choose the Coulomb gauge, I get Poisson's equation. If I choose the Lorenz gauge, I get the d'Alembert wave equation. I understand why the Lorenz gauge is more convenient and useful in this case, since the Coulomb gauge specifies phi completely but makes A hard to calculate. I just don't understand why we are free to choose divA.

If you make the simultaneous gauge transformations,
\vec{A}^\prime=\vec{A} + \nabla \psi

\phi^\prime=\phi - \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t}

then,

\vec{E}^\prime=-\nabla \phi^\prime - \frac{\partial \vec{A}^\prime}{\partial t}

= -\nabla (\phi - \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t}) - \frac{\partial (\vec{A} + \nabla \psi)}{\partial t}

= -\nabla \phi - \frac{\partial \vec{A}}{\partial t}

= \vec{E}

so the electric field doesn't change

EDIT: Ah, nevermind. I read "I understand why" as "I don't understand why"
 

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