Why can't we detect off-shell particles?

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In summary, the energy-momentum relation of external states in Feynman diagrams is defined by the field equation and a(p)|p>, with off-shell parts due to contraction and propagators. The concept of off-shell can be seen as synonymous with non-physical, but is necessary for energy-momentum conservation and allowed by the energy/time version of the Heisenberg Uncertainty relation. However, this concept becomes more complex when considering external lines as internal lines in an extended process. In Feynman diagrams, energy-momentum is conserved through Feynman rules and can only be represented by external lines until detection. It may be best to avoid constructing an ontology based on Feynman diagrams.
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when we draw Feynman diagrams we write external lines with onshell momentum only,,
but those "external" lines are internal lines to an extended process(?).
what defines the energy-momentum relation of the external states? the field equation and a(p)|p>,, so the offshell parts are due only to contraction and propagators?

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I think of "off-shell" as being kind of synonymous with "non-physical", as in a photon with non-zero mass. You probably know this, but such non-physical states are necessary in order to conserve energy-momentum, but they are also allowed by the energy/time version of the Heisenberg Uncertainty relation. Therefore, we can have massive photons when we need them, but only if they survive for a time short enough to satisfy the uncertainty relation, i.e. they are virtual, not observable.

Not sure if that helps with your question, though ...
 
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alemsalem said:
when we draw Feynman diagrams we write external lines with onshell momentum only,,
but those "external" lines are internal lines to an extended process(?).
what defines the energy-momentum relation of the external states?
Energy-momentum is conseverd in Feynman diagrams via Feynman rules i.e. delta-functions in (E,p) at the vertices.

But the question regarding external lines as internal lines in an extended process is interesting.

Suppose we do a calculation for a scattering experiment and determine the 'cross section for an external line' i.e. an asymtotic plane wave state which is on-shell. As soon as we detect this particle, e.g. via absorption, it is no longer represented via an external line.

I think the best one can do is to abandon the idea to construct an ontology based on Feynman diagrams.
 
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1. Why can't we directly detect off-shell particles?

Off-shell particles are virtual particles that do not have enough energy to exist as real particles. As a result, they do not interact with matter in the same way as on-shell particles, making them difficult to detect directly.

2. How do we indirectly detect off-shell particles?

Off-shell particles can interact with other particles, leaving behind observable effects such as energy and momentum conservation. By studying these interactions, we can indirectly infer the presence of off-shell particles.

3. Can off-shell particles ever become on-shell particles?

Yes, off-shell particles can become on-shell particles by gaining enough energy to exist as real particles. This can happen through interactions with other particles or through the decay of a larger particle into smaller particles.

4. What is the significance of detecting off-shell particles?

Detecting off-shell particles can provide valuable information about the underlying physical processes and interactions in the universe. It can also help us to further understand fundamental particles and their properties.

5. Are there any current technologies that can detect off-shell particles?

While there are no technologies that directly detect off-shell particles, particle accelerators and detectors can indirectly observe their effects in particle collisions. Advanced mathematical models and simulations are also used to study and understand the behavior of off-shell particles.

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