Why Can't We Detect Hydrogen with IR Sensors in Explosion-Proof Areas?

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The discussion centers around the challenges of detecting hydrogen gas in explosion-proof areas using infrared (IR) sensors. Participants explore the properties of hydrogen that affect its detectability, alternative detection technologies, and specific applications in industries such as petroleum.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that hydrogen (H2) is transparent in the infrared spectrum, which complicates its detection using IR technology.
  • It is explained that when H2 vibrates, there is no change in dipole moment, resulting in no absorption of infrared radiation, a characteristic shared with other homonuclear diatomic molecules like O2 and N2.
  • Participants inquire about alternative detection methods for hydrogen, particularly in explosion-proof environments.
  • One participant suggests that catalytic and electrochemical sensors could be viable alternatives for detecting hydrogen, especially since they require the presence of oxygen to function.
  • Another participant mentions the use of temperature-sensitive resistances in a bridge arrangement as a method for detecting hydrogen through changes in resistance due to reactions with ambient oxygen.
  • There is a reference to specific products and technologies, such as those made by Honeywell, which include sensors designed for hydrogen detection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the transparency of hydrogen in the infrared spectrum and its implications for detection. However, there is no consensus on the best alternative detection methods, with various technologies being proposed and discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the presence of oxygen for certain detection technologies and the specific requirements of explosion-proof environments, which may restrict the applicability of various detection methods.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to professionals in the petroleum sector, safety engineers, and those involved in gas detection technology development.

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Hi all
My mainly question is about why we won't be able to detect Hydrogen as Ex. gas using IR technology sensors?
Also, I'd like to know if H2 would be detected using IR senosor?
I need to know what is the equivalent technology for this purpose too?
Thanks
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I don't really understand all you are saying (what is an "Ex. gas"?), but I can tell you that H2 is transparent in the infra-red.
 
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To be more specific, when a homonuclear diatomic molecule like H2 vibrates, there is no change in dipole moment, therefore nothing for an oscillating electric field (EM radiation) to couple with to cause absorption. So H2 doesn't absorb infrared radiation. (The same is true of O2 and N2, which is why we don't have a runaway greenhouse effect.)
 
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DrClaude said:
I don't really understand all you are saying (what is an "Ex. gas"?), but I can tell you that H2 is transparent in the infra-red.
1st thank you for your reply
I mean in an Explosion proof area like petroleum sector companies
You explained that H2 is transparent in the IR so what is the another solution to avoid this point
Thank you
 
mjc123 said:
To be more specific, when a homonuclear diatomic molecule like H2 vibrates, there is no change in dipole moment, therefore nothing for an oscillating electric field (EM radiation) to couple with to cause absorption. So H2 doesn't absorb infrared radiation. (The same is true of O2 and N2, which is why we don't have a runaway greenhouse effect.)
1st thank you for your reply
What is the another solution to avoid this point
Thank you
 
It shouldn't be hard for you to google "hydrogen gas detector"
 
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IIRC, there's two temperature sensitive resistances, one coated with a catalyst, run side-by-side in a bridge arrangement. Catalysed, any hydrogen reacts with ambient oxygen, alters its leg's temperature and resistance, unbalances the bridge...

Similar tech checks for 'general flammable vapour', such as methane etc and toxic gas such as Carbon monoxide. But, because such are less responsive to ambient catalytic oxidation, they may need to be warmed. Think how car exhaust catalysers don't work well until hot enough...

The extra circuitry and protocols for self-testing and maintenance of such safety-critical equipment is well beyond my amateur reading.

FWIW, some of our hydrogen-flame GCs had an internal leak sensor, which had to be replaced at service intervals as air pollution progressively poisoned the active surface.

Um, also Google 'Faraday Lamp'...
 
Aya ElElbshihy said:
1st thank you for your reply
I mean in an Explosion proof area like petroleum sector companies
You explained that H2 is transparent in the IR so what is the another solution to avoid this point
Thank you
Honeywell makes a variety of gas sensors, including sensors for hydrogen. Catalytic and electrochemical sensors are used to detect hydrogen, and they require oxygen.
See Chapter 10, starting on page 36, and see Table on page 43 in
https://www.honeywellanalytics.com/~/media/honeywell-analytics/documents/english/11296_gas-book_v5_0413_lr_en.pdf?la=en-gb
 

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