Why Did Police Raid a 9-Year-Old's Winnie the Pooh Laptop?

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The discussion revolves around the police raid of a 9-year-old's laptop, which was reportedly used to download music. Participants explore the legality and implications of the raid, questioning the rationale behind law enforcement actions in this context. The conversation touches on issues of piracy, legal definitions, and the appropriateness of police resources in such cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the sanity of authorities involved in the raid, suggesting that the legal framework in Finland allows for raids without search warrants under certain conditions.
  • There is a claim that the alleged file downloaded may have been a bait by copyright enforcement agencies, raising questions about the legality of such tactics.
  • One participant expresses disbelief at the police spending resources on a case involving a child downloading a song that is available for free on streaming platforms.
  • Another participant highlights the distinction between streaming music and downloading it, noting that while streaming may be free, downloading is not, and questions the legality of recording streams.
  • Concerns are raised about parental responsibility in monitoring children's computer usage, with suggestions that either software or education should be provided to prevent such incidents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some questioning the appropriateness of the police action while others defend the legal framework. There is no consensus on the legality or morality of the raid, nor on the effectiveness of police resource allocation in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific legal conditions in Finland regarding piracy and police actions, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these laws and the specific circumstances of the case.

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"Winnie the Pooh" laptop raid

http://www.techspot.com/news/50888-...old-pirate-winnie-the-pooh-laptop-seized.html

What's behind it?
Are those authorities fully sane?

No search warrants in Finland, a superintendent or higher officer can order a raid.
Order is legal if said crime can lead to six months jail time minimum.
(practically no sanctions for illegal raids)
Any piracy jail time is for profit _and_ significant harm cases.
Is 600€ significant enough?

Some say the said file was a bait by CIAPC/TTVK and not a music file at all.
If so then the law says that deceiving for profit is a fraud.
Is it?
And profit what if the file is fake?
 
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Setting aside the conspiracy claims, at face value I see no problems here.
 


Of course not.

And if you happen to be dishonest is there any sanctions?
 


I find it sort of amazing that the police are spending that kind of money and time going after someone who downloaded a song that is apparently available for free elsewhere (on Spotify, according to the link).
 


ParticleGrl said:
I find it sort of amazing that the police are spending that kind of money and time going after someone who downloaded a song that is apparently available for free elsewhere (on Spotify, according to the link).
It's not free for downloading, only for listening, like a radio. It says the kid attempted to download a lot of songs. If you give a kid a computer, either place nanny software on it or educate them on proper use.
 


It's not free for downloading, only for listening, like a radio.

At least in the US, its legal to record things off the radio (and it was fairly common when I was growing up), so I wonder if she had recorded the spotify stream if that would have been ok.

Also, sure you should monitor your kids computer usage, I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. I'm just amazed at the amount of money being spent to go after this- seems like a tremendous waste of police resources.