Why do all fermions have the same spin 1/2?

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The discussion centers around the question of why all fermions are said to have the same spin of ##\frac{1}{2}##, despite their differing masses. It explores concepts related to spin angular momentum, its quantization, and the implications of mass on spin.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that all fermions possess spin ##\frac{1}{2}##, which is a form of angular momentum that can be combined with orbital angular momentum.
  • Others challenge the premise of the original question, arguing that not all fermions have spin ##\frac{1}{2}## and providing examples such as the Delta baryon and Omega-minus baryon.
  • There is a contention regarding the relationship between spin angular momentum and mass, with some participants stating that spin is not dependent on a mass-related moment of inertia.
  • Participants reference previous discussions and errors made by the original poster, indicating a history of misunderstanding regarding the topic.
  • One participant emphasizes the quantization of angular momentum, noting that it can only take specific values, which may not directly relate to the mass of the particles.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the original question. There are competing views regarding the nature of fermions and their spin, with some asserting the validity of the original claim while others refute it.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the relationship between spin and mass, and there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of fermions and their properties.

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Why do all fermions have the same spin angular momentum ##\frac{\hbar}{2}##, regardless of their different masses?
We are taught that all fermions have spin ##\frac{1}{2}##, short for spin angular momentum ##\frac{\hbar}{2}##, which can be added to the orbital angular momentum. Considering spin is a kind of angular momentum, it must be dependent on the mass (or moment of inertia) of the particle. However, different fermions, such as proton, neutron, quarks, neutrinos, and electron, have different masses. But why do they have the same spin angular momentum ##\frac{\hbar}{2}##?
 
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Shen712 said:
TL;DR Summary: Why do all fermions have the same spin angular momentum ##\frac{\hbar}{2}##, regardless of their different masses?

We are taught that all fermions have spin ##\frac{1}{2}##, short for spin angular momentum ##\frac{\hbar}{2}##, which can be added to the orbital angular momentum. Considering spin is a kind of angular momentum, it must be dependent on the mass (or moment of inertia) of the particle. However, different fermions, such as proton, neutron, quarks, neutrinos, and electron, have different masses. But why do they have the same spin angular momentum ##\frac{\hbar}{2}##?
The quantisation of angular momentum is a stunning achievement of mathematical physics. Angular momentum cannot take any value, but but only multiples of ##\frac \hbar 2##.
 
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PeroK said:
The quantisation of angular momentum is a stunning achievement of mathematical physics. Angular momentum cannot take any value, but but only multiples of ##\frac \hbar 2##.
OP’s question was why all fermions have spin 1/2 though. They don’t.
 
Orodruin said:
OP’s question was why all fermions have spin 1/2 though. They don’t.
He also suggested that spin AM should be dependent on a mass-related moment of inertia. It isn't.
 
The Δ is an example, but the Ω- is an even more famous one. It's not clear to me how a PhD particle physicist like the OP managed not to come across it, ever.
 
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The answer has been given, i.e. the false assumptions in the OP's question have been addressed so it doesn't make sense to discuss this specific subject any further.

This thread is closed.
 

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