How do we know the spins of elementary particles?

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The discussion centers on how the spins of elementary particles are determined, including fermions, photons, and hypothetical particles like gravitons. It explores the methods of measurement and theoretical derivations related to particle spin, touching on both stable and unstable particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that spin is a form of angular momentum that can be measured for certain particles, such as electrons and photons.
  • Others propose that the spin of gravitons is derived from the equations of general relativity, while one participant suggests it is postulated.
  • It is noted that fermions can have spins of 1/2, 3/2, 5/2, etc., indicating a range of possible spins beyond just 1/2.
  • Participants discuss methods for measuring spin in stable particles, such as using magnetic fields and the Stern-Gerlach experiment, while also noting that these methods measure magnetic moments rather than spin directly.
  • There is a claim that the relationship between magnetic moment and spin can be predicted, particularly for electrons, though uncertainty exists regarding protons and neutrons.
  • One participant questions the theoretical predictions of the g-factors for protons and neutrons, presenting measured values and discussing discrepancies with theoretical models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of graviton spin, the relationship between magnetic moment and spin, and the adequacy of theoretical predictions for the g-factors of protons and neutrons. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on theoretical models for predicting g-factors and the potential ambiguity in the interpretation of measurements related to spin and magnetic moments.

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How do we know the spin of an elementary particle? For example, a fermion has spin 1/2; a photon has spin 1; and even the ficticious graviton has spin 2. How do we know these spins? In other words, how are these spins determined?
 
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To be a little nit-picking, fermions have spin 1/2, 3/2, 5/2, etc, not only 1/2. I would say that the graviton's spin is derived, not postulated.
 
For stable and long-living particles, we can put them in magnetic fields and watch the spin orientation change. In some cases we can also put them in inhomogeneous fields and measure the force directly (Stern-Gerlach experiment).

For unstable particles, we can study their decays: the angular and energy distributions of the decay products depend on the spin of the particles.

Gravitons have to couple to the stress-energy tensor to mediate gravity, and this is only possible with spin 2.
 
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mfb said:
For stable and long-living particles, we can put them in magnetic fields and watch the spin orientation change. In some cases we can also put them in inhomogeneous fields and measure the force directly (Stern-Gerlach experiment).
Yes, but this rather measures the magnetic moment than the spin.
 
Well, the two are related. You can predict the g-factor and the spin and check that the magnetic moment has the expected value. It works with electrons, although the measurements are typically interpreted as measurements of the g-factor. I don't know if protons and neutrons have a good theoretical prediction of their g-factor.
 
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I don't know if protons and neutrons have a good theoretical prediction of their g-factor.

Depends on what you mean by "good". The naive static quark model gives μ(p) = 3 and μ(n) = -2 (in nuclear magnetons). Measured values are 2.793 and -1.913. QCD with perfect SU(2) flavor symmetry predicts μ(n)/μ(p) = -2/3. (It's essentially a Clebsch-Gordon coefficient) The measured value is -0.685.
 
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