Why Do English Class Instructions Change Every Year?

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The discussion revolves around the inconsistencies in English class instructions across different grade levels, focusing on thesis writing and the varying expectations from teachers. Participants explore the implications of these changes on students' learning experiences and writing styles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the confusion caused by differing thesis requirements across grades, questioning the lack of communication among teachers.
  • Another participant suggests that English is subjective and often based on style rather than fixed rules, advocating for a flexible approach to writing.
  • A participant mentions that this issue extends beyond high school to universities and industry, indicating a broader trend.
  • There is a suggestion that adapting writing styles to meet the expectations of different readers is a valuable skill to develop.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the complexity of English compared to more straightforward subjects like math or science, emphasizing the need to follow teachers' instructions closely for success.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of English instruction, with some agreeing on the subjective nature of the subject while others highlight the challenges posed by inconsistent teaching methods. No consensus is reached on the best approach to navigate these changes.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the variability in teaching styles and expectations, which may depend on individual teachers' philosophies and the subjective nature of writing itself.

Who May Find This Useful

Students navigating English class requirements, educators reflecting on teaching practices, and anyone interested in the dynamics of writing instruction.

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9th grade teachers: "Kids, write a thesis that specifically states 3 different supporting topics"

10th grade teachers: "Write a thesis that is three-pronged, is factual, and supports the main point of the paper"

And, happy new school year, all!

What do I get in 11th grade English?

Teacher: "Your previous teachers should have been teaching you not to use the three-pronged thesis, and instead you should have a more open thesis that's ARGUABLE OPINIONS."

Wait... what?

Why don't different grade levels communicate on what they're teaching? =|

It rather confuses me, reading about this... What should I do? I hate re-learning stuff t.t
 
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English, unlike math... or science... sigh. Anyway, English is very often a matter of style, with no truly fixed rules, just generally accepted conventions (spelling, grammar, punctuation) and a sense of what sounds good. Very touchy-feely, fluctuates depending on what you're writing.

My rule of thumb: Ignore this particular teacher's rules; just write what sounds good. Works for me, but not for everyone. If you read enough quality writing (Heinlein, Asimov, all of "the classics"...), you should do OK as long as your writing doesn't grate on you.

Proper rule of thumb: Don't ever bother "learning" anything besides spelling, grammar, punctuation, and rules that you like. Just follow each teacher's rules as they come.

Then do a math problem to cheer you up. :wink:
 
This kind of thing is true in universities, as well. And it's even more true in industry, unfortunately.

- Warren
 
Indeed.

Thank you, guy with weird name. ^.^
 
Blahness said:
Thank you, guy with weird name. ^.^
I think s/he's mumbling. :biggrin:

I think the good lesson you can get from this is to learn to adapt your writing style to suit the needs of the reader. That sort of flexibility in your writing is a good thing to develop since you will always need to adjust to suit the readers you're targeting.
 
mbrmbrg said:
If you read enough quality writing (Heinlein, Asimov, all of "the classics"...), you should do OK
:bugeye: I'm speechless!
 
While the English language is more complicated than building a time machine, people would like to think it's as straight forward as one rule applying to everything.

Just shut up and do what the teacher says. If it's an excellent teacher, who doesn't care all that much about teaching, you can get good grades with good writing no matter how it's done. If it's a crappy teacher whos entire life revolves around school (read: power trip), the only way to get a good grade is to do exactly as they say.
The only way to win either situation is to do exactly as they say.
 

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