Why Do Jupiter's Moons Orbit in a Plane?

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The discussion centers on the reasons why Jupiter's moons orbit in a plane, exploring the physical principles behind this phenomenon. Participants delve into the implications of angular momentum, gravitational forces, and the formation of celestial bodies, while ensuring the explanations remain accessible to those with a high school physics background.

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  • Some participants note that the moons' coplanar orbits are a continuation of the same principle that applies to the planets, stemming from the initial formation of the solar system as a rotating cloud of mass that flattened into a disc.
  • Others argue that Jupiter's rotation and size contribute to its moons' orbits being aligned with its equatorial plane, as larger bodies are less easily perturbed.
  • A participant questions the specific gravitational factors that stabilize orbits and whether the Sun's gravitational influence plays a role in this process.
  • Some contributions highlight that if Jupiter were a non-rotating sphere, moons could have any inclination, but its rapid rotation leads to a non-spherical shape that affects gravitational forces.
  • It is mentioned that the gravitational influence of the Sun and other planets, particularly Saturn, also affects the orbits of Jupiter's outer moons.
  • Participants discuss the Kozai mechanism, suggesting that high-inclination orbits are unstable and that the Sun's influence can lead to periodic changes in inclination and eccentricity.
  • Some participants point out that Jupiter's moons are currently aligned with the ecliptic, which is noted as being more aligned than usual.
  • One participant mentions the phenomenon of moons occasionally occulting each other, which is a result of their aligned orbits.

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Participants express a range of views on the gravitational dynamics at play, with some agreeing on the general principles of orbital stability and formation while others raise questions about specific mechanisms and influences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact gravitational factors and their relative impacts.

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Limitations include the complexity of gravitational interactions, the dependence on specific definitions of stability, and the unresolved nature of how various forces interact over time. The discussion also touches on the implications of rotational dynamics without reaching a consensus on all points raised.

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So I took my telescope out last night and got to actually, really see Jupiter for the first time and it was amazing! While I was looking at it I could see it has 4 moons (though I later found out it has way more than that, but the ones I observed were the big Galilean moons). Another thing I noticed was that the moons were 'lined up'. That is to say, they were orbiting in a 2D plane it looked like (and further, I wasn't above or below but IN the plane).

Why is this? Why do the moons orbit in one plane instead scattered all about in different orbits? Further, why is an observer from Earth parallel to the plane instead of viewing it from above or below?

I'm looking for a physical explanation, which is why I didn't put this in the astronomy section.

Please don't give an explanation that requires knowledge past a high school AP Physics class and Calculus I class.

Thanks!
 
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This is an extension of the fact that the planets are all roughly in the same plane, too. When the solar system formed, it was initially a large cloud of mass around a central proto-star. Conservation of angular momentum implied that because it was rotating, this cloud had to flatten out into a disc. As a result, all of the mass was in a (roughly) two-dimensional plane. This is why most of the planets are not inclined much to Earth's orbit, and the same should follow for Jupiter's moons, since they were formed from the same place.
 
Jupiter's plane of rotation is very close to its plane of orbit, closer than all the other planets. This is due to its size - it is not easily perturbed. Because of this, we will always see its equator and its moons' orbits edge-on.

The reason its moons all orbit in the same plane is the same reason why all the planets are in the same plane in the Solar System - satellites that orbit off the plane of their parent are unstable. Due to a number of gravitational factors, they will eventually be nudged into equatorial orbits.
 
DaveC426913 said:
The reason its moons all orbit in the same plane is the same reason why all the planets are in the same plane in the Solar System - satellites that orbit off the plane of their parent are unstable. Due to a number of gravitational factors, they will eventually be nudged into equatorial orbits.

What are the gravitational factors that nudge the the planets into equatorial orbits? Why aren't the moon's rotation around the planet, say, perpendicular to the equatorial plane?

Would the Sun's gravitational pull on the moon of a planet be one of these nudging effects?
 
Pupil said:
What are the gravitational factors that nudge the the planets into equatorial orbits? Why aren't the moon's rotation around the planet, say, perpendicular to the equatorial plane?

Would the Sun's gravitational pull on the moon of a planet be one of these nudging effects?

If Jupiter was a perfect, non-rotating sphere then the moons could orbit with any inclination they please - a spherical mass has a perfectly symmetrical field. But Jupiter in fact spins very rapidly - 12.5 km/s at its equator - and this gives it a non-spherical shape that distorts the shape of its field. Thus unless a body is in the plane of its equator it will experience a small force towards the equatorial plane and over time it will eventually find itself orbitting in the plane.

But the non-symmetrical component of the gravitational force drops off with distance more rapidly than the symmetrical component, thus at the distance of Jupiter's outer moon groups the plane-directing component of the gravitational force isn't strong enough to change the orbits of the irregular moons in a significant way since they entered those orbits aeons ago.

The Sun does influence the orbits of the outer moons too, as do the other planets, especially Saturn.
 
The reason orbits become coplanar is because the rotating cloud of gas that collapses to form a planet rotates about an axis, so a moon above or below the planet wouldn't be orbiting the planet.

Also, Jupiter's moons orbit in a plane near the ecliptic, but right now, they are almost exactly on the ecliptic. It is more aligned than ususal.
 
russ_watters said:
The reason orbits become coplanar is because the rotating cloud of gas that collapses to form a planet rotates about an axis, so a moon above or below the planet wouldn't be orbiting the planet.

Also, Jupiter's moons orbit in a plane near the ecliptic, but right now, they are almost exactly on the ecliptic. It is more aligned than ususal.

Russ, the field of a rotating, collapsing mass pushes/pulls it all into the equatorial plane. That's how an initially spherical prestellar mass collapses into star-and-disk.
 
Also, at this time the satellites are so nicely lined up that, on their orbits, they now are occasionally occulting each other. Seeing the satellites passing in front of Jupiter is quite common, but seeing one satellite passing behind another is quite rare.
 
qraal said:
If Jupiter was a perfect, non-rotating sphere then the moons could orbit with any inclination they please - a spherical mass has a perfectly symmetrical field. But Jupiter in fact spins very rapidly - 12.5 km/s at its equator - and this gives it a non-spherical shape that distorts the shape of its field. Thus unless a body is in the plane of its equator it will experience a small force towards the equatorial plane and over time it will eventually find itself orbitting in the plane.

But the non-symmetrical component of the gravitational force drops off with distance more rapidly than the symmetrical component, thus at the distance of Jupiter's outer moon groups the plane-directing component of the gravitational force isn't strong enough to change the orbits of the irregular moons in a significant way since they entered those orbits aeons ago.

The Sun does influence the orbits of the outer moons too, as do the other planets, especially Saturn.

If Jupiter were a perfect, non-rotating sphere, the moons would not be able to orbit in any inclination. Polar orbits, and any orbit with an inclination of above about 60 degrees would be unstable due to the Kozai mechanism. The influence of the Sun would cause any moon with a high inclination to periodically exchange inclination and eccentricity. As orbits get more and more eccentric over time, they will cross each other. This is why Jupiter has no moons with inclinations greater than 60 degrees. See here for more details.
http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/kozai.html
http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/joviansystem.html
 

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