Why Do Lines 3 and 4 Equate in Random Walk Probability Calculations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equivalence of two lines in the probability calculations of a random walk, specifically focusing on why line 3 equals line 4 in the context of random variables and their properties. The scope includes theoretical aspects of probability and random walks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the random variables \(X_i\) are independent and identically distributed (i.i.d.), which allows for interchanging them in calculations.
  • One participant suggests that line 4 is derived from substituting \(k = 1\) into line 3, assuming the relationship holds for \(k \geq 1\).
  • Another participant points out that while the random walk may have independent increments, the source material implies a more general assumption that does not necessarily guarantee independence.
  • There is a discussion about the Markovian property of the sum \(S\) and its implications for the equivalence of the lines.
  • A participant mentions a research paper that refers to symmetry and independence properties without providing further clarification on what symmetry entails.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the relationship between lines 3 and 4, with some agreeing on the i.i.d. property while others question the implications of independence and symmetry. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact reasoning behind the equivalence.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about independence and the definitions of the terms involved, particularly concerning the Markovian property and the nature of the random walk being discussed.

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Suppose X is a random walk with probability
P(X_k=+1)=p and P(X_k=-1)=q=1-p
and S_n=X_1+X_2+...+X_n

Can anyone explain why does line 3 equal to line 4?
P(S_k-S_0≠0 ,S_k-S_1≠0 ,…,S_k-S_{k-1}≠0)
=P(X_k+X_{k-1}+⋯+X_1≠0 ,X_k+X_{k-1}+⋯+X_2≠0 ,…,X_k≠0)
=P( X_k≠0 ,X_k+X_{k-1}≠0 ,…,X_k+X_{k-1}+⋯+X_1≠0 )...Line 3
=P( X_1≠0 ,X_2+X_1≠0 ,…,X_k+X_{k-1}+⋯+X_1≠0 ).....Line 4
=P( X_1≠0 ,X_1+X_2≠0 ,…,X_1+X_2+⋯+X_k≠0 )

The above comes from a book on random walk, I attached a link here (page 36),
http://books.google.com/books?id=7suiLOKqeYQC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
Thanks
 
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It's because your Xi's are all i.i.d.. That means you can always interchange them however you like, since they each have the same distribution.
 
Hey tanzl.

It looks like they are just substituting k = 1 into line 4, based on the premise that the relationship holds for k >= 1.

As for an explanation, it looks like a simple random walk with independent increments, but from the page you cited, it appears that they are not necessarily independent which is a more general assumption than the simple random walk models.

(When each incremental random variable is independent, this simplifies things somewhat)
 
Thanks for the replies.
alexfloo said:
It's because your Xi's are all i.i.d.. That means you can always interchange them however you like, since they each have the same distribution.

Hi Alexfloo, in what way do you mean X can interchange? I do know that X are iid, but I don't see how this property can help when line 3 is adding more terms in reverse time order and line 4 is adding more terms in increasing time order.
chiro said:
Hey tanzl.

It looks like they are just substituting k = 1 into line 4, based on the premise that the relationship holds for k >= 1.

As for an explanation, it looks like a simple random walk with independent increments, but from the page you cited, it appears that they are not necessarily independent which is a more general assumption than the simple random walk models.

(When each incremental random variable is independent, this simplifies things somewhat)

Hi Chiro, I don't think it is just simply substituting k=1 into line 3, it does not hold for k>1.
From my understanding, X is independent incremental random variable, I am not sure about S. But S has Markovian property.

BTW, I have read in a research paper on this problem. The proof in the paper only stated that it uses symmetry and independence property without further clarification. I am not really sure what does symmetry property refer to.
 

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