Why Do Many Applications Ask About Race and Ethnicity?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons applications ask about race and ethnicity, particularly in the context of university admissions. Participants explore the implications of affirmative action, statistical requirements for institutions, and perceptions of privilege among different racial groups. The conversation touches on theoretical, social, and political dimensions of the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether minority applicants have different admission standards compared to others, suggesting a perception of privilege.
  • Others argue that institutions are required to collect demographic statistics, especially if they receive state funding, to ensure representation.
  • There are claims that affirmative action is an established policy, with some participants asserting that it has led to the admission of black students in state schools.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness and legality of affirmative action in various states, noting that it may not be officially allowed everywhere.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of perceptions regarding minority admissions, with references to specific universities and their demographics.
  • Participants discuss the implications of gathering racial statistics, suggesting it may be a bureaucratic necessity rather than a reflection of actual admission practices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and impact of affirmative action, the necessity of collecting demographic data, and the implications of these practices for various racial groups. There is no consensus on these issues, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the lack of clarity regarding the geographical context of the original post, which influences the discussion about affirmative action and admissions policies. There are also references to the historical and political dimensions of race and ethnicity in admissions, which may not be universally applicable.

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Why is it that on many applications there is a section that asks whether you are a native american or some type of minority? Are they able to get into the university without working hard like many average Asians and Caucasians?

If so why do they get this privilege?
 
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Generally there are NOT different standards
But the institute is required to keep statistics of the number of applicants from each group and the number of admissions - especially if they get state funding.

A black taxpayer might be a little annoyed at a state funded uni that hasn't admitted any black students in the last 10 years - but the institute might want to show there were no black applicants
 


mgb_phys said:
Generally there are NOT different standards
But the institute is required to keep statistics of the number of applicants from each group and the number of admissions - especially if they get state funding.

A black taxpayer might be a little annoyed at a state funded uni that hasn't admitted any black students in the last 10 years - but the institute might want to show there were no black applicants

Oh okay, so it is just for statistics. Because I thought it was weird that a friend of a friend of mine who is black go into Harvard with only three AP courses/exams.

I was a bit in awe when I saw the stats on Berkeley, like less than a percent are native americans.
 


Meh, I say give it a couple more years and Caucasians will be the minority :wink:
 


flyingpig said:
Why is it that on many applications there is a section that asks whether you are a native american or some type of minority? Are they able to get into the university without working hard like many average Asians and Caucasians?

If so why do they get this privilege?

Um...its called affirmative action...are you sure you're not a troll?

flyingpig said:
Oh okay, so it is just for statistics. Because I thought it was weird that a friend of a friend of mine who is black go into Harvard with only three AP courses/exams.

I was a bit in awe when I saw the stats on Berkeley, like less than a percent are native americans.

Well less than a percent of all americans are native american...
 
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mgb_phys said:
Generally there are NOT different standards
But the institute is required to keep statistics of the number of applicants from each group and the number of admissions - especially if they get state funding.

A black taxpayer might be a little annoyed at a state funded uni that hasn't admitted any black students in the last 10 years - but the institute might want to show there were no black applicants

Really? I'm pretty sure affirmative action is an established policy. If we are taking about undergraduate education at least, I am pretty sure most state schools have had black students every year...for a while now.
 


DukeofDuke said:
Really? I'm pretty sure affirmative action is an established policy. If we are taking about undergraduate education at least, I am pretty sure most state schools have had black students every year...for a while now.

Who said the OP was in America?
Even in America (racial) affirmative action is not now officially allowed in most states.
Anyway - the reason for gathering the stats is standard public sector admin CYA.

Only time I had to do this was a government contact - we were based in an area with an interesting history (=they were still busy fighting 16th century religious wars). We had to submit a racial/religious profile to show we were balanced - the team consisted of an American a Russian a Brit and an Isreali - they returned the form asking us to fill it in 'properly'
 


mgb_phys said:
Who said the OP was in America?
Even in America (racial) affirmative action is not now officially allowed in most states.
Anyway - the reason for gathering the stats is standard public sector admin CYA.

Only time I had to do this was a government contact - we were based in an area with an interesting history (=they were still busy fighting 16th century religious wars). We had to submit a racial/religious profile to show we were balanced - the team consisted of an American a Russian a Brit and an Isreali - they returned the form asking us to fill it in 'properly'

Huh, to the best of my knowledge strict quotas are not allowed in most places but affirmative action definitely is. If you could cite a source...I can't seem to find a list of states where affirmative action is banned. To my knowledge its still a major political issue that the conservatives complain about quite a bit...

How do I know OP is American? He talks about Harvard, black guys getting affirmative action, and asian and white guys as the standard candle university student. To the best of my knowledge, there are a lot more Asian university kids in the Americas than there are in Britain, Australia, or Europe. Same with black university kids. The minority issue is a bigger deal in a mixed society...
 

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