Why do more cars now have a short "spoiler" above their rear window?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for the increasing prevalence of short spoilers above rear windows in cars. Participants explore various aerodynamic advantages, potential benefits for visibility and cleanliness, and the relationship between spoilers and vehicle stability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that short spoilers may provide aerodynamic advantages, potentially reducing drag by better defining the vehicle's sectional area and preventing eddies from extending outside that area.
  • Others argue that these spoilers help keep rain and snow off the rear window, although they believe the primary purpose is drag reduction.
  • A participant mentions the concept of flow separation and how a well-defined location for flow separation can prevent large eddies from forming, which may affect vehicle stability.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that spoilers can delay flow separation, thereby reducing the wake behind the vehicle and improving fuel economy.
  • Some participants reference the relationship between spoilers and designs used in speed boats and seaplanes, although there is disagreement on the relevance of this analogy.
  • A later reply discusses a published paper on hatchback spoilers, indicating that while the primary focus of the study was on lift, it also addressed drag reduction.
  • There is mention of the importance of creating a turbulent boundary layer to improve aerodynamic performance, akin to the dimples on a golf ball.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the primary functions of short spoilers, with some emphasizing drag reduction and others highlighting the importance of flow separation and vehicle stability. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the most significant benefits.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific aerodynamic principles, such as the vena contracta and Von Karman shedding, which may not be universally agreed upon. Additionally, the discussion references various studies and articles, but access to these sources varies among participants.

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Is there some aerodynamic advantage to these short spoilers? Or maybe does it help to keep dirt from accumulating on the rear window? It seems like I'm seeing this feature more and more lately...

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https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwjfj_TP4OD9AhUpL1kFHdzsDd0QMygDegUIARC8Ag

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https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwjfj_TP4OD9AhUpL1kFHdzsDd0QMygNegUIARDSAg
 
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It could be for drag reduction.
The plates better define the sectional area of the vehicle, so prevent the eddy that forms behind the vehicle from extending outside that section, which would increase the virtual sectional area, increasing drag.
 
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I always see this:
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Also helps to keep rain and snow off the back window.

But I think the primary purpose is to reduce drag.

(Is it related to the stepped hull of speed boats and seaplanes? Without the step, flow will stick to the contour longer and cause drag).
 
Heat reduction from overhead sunlight?
 
DaveC426913 said:
Is it related to the stepped hull of speed boats and seaplanes?
Probably not. It is more like a vena contracta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vena_contracta#Explanation

The wake air rising up the rear window to join the faster air stream above, must turn, so it would push the fast air stream upwards where the two flows meet.

Where the two flows merge, they need to be travelling in the same direction, one on each side of the plate. Avoid a 90° corner, where the flows will meet on a diagonal line that increases the profile of the vehicle.

Boat-tail plates are similar in that they partition the circulating eddies behind a boat, or the back of a container on a truck, to remain behind and not rise above the profile. The length of the plate from the rear needs to be sufficient to enclose half the eddy, so the air can turn more than 90°, to become parallel.
 
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When well designed, it is used to delay flow separation to reduce the wake behind the vehicle (and the drag it creates), akin to the bumps on a golf ball:

Flow-Separation-on-a-Golf-Ball-1_Q640.jpg

So you want to "trip" the flow to create a turbulent boundary layer. Here is an example of such a spoiler on a trunk:

rear-spoiler.jpg

You want to create something that looks more like the top image than the bottom image in the next figure:

car-rear-wake.jpg

Also, referring to the spoiler in the OP, the long flat surface extending the overhang of a hatchback model can create a greater surface to improve the downforce at the rear wheels, increasing stability. (Of course, if well designed for the vehicle.)
 
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I think there is another reason which is important: to generate a well defined location for the flow to separate from. If this is less well defined, the location of separation may vary and large eddies may form behind the vehicle (Von Karman shedding). This may shake the car around a bit, that wobble may generate the *feeling* that you don't have the car in complete control, or that something is wrong or whatever. (although the actual effect of the shedding on car stability is small I think).
 
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Arjan82 said:
I think there is another reason which is important: to generate a well defined location for the flow to separate from. If this is less well defined, the location of separation may vary and large eddies may form behind the vehicle (Von Karman shedding).
This is what I was getting at. Thank you for expressing it.
 
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I think this chap explains it nicely:
 
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jack action said:
When well designed, it is used to delay flow separation to reduce the wake behind the vehicle (and the drag it creates), akin to the bumps on a golf ball:

Flow-Separation-on-a-Golf-Ball-1_Q640.jpg

So you want to "trip" the flow to create a turbulent boundary layer. Here is an example of such a spoiler on a trunk:


You want to create something that looks more like the top image than the bottom image in the next figure:

Also, referring to the spoiler in the OP, the long flat surface extending the overhang of a hatchback model can create a greater surface to improve the downforce at the rear wheels, increasing stability. (Of course, if well designed for the vehicle.)
Excellent job! Totally agree...less drag better... GPM fuel economy
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Argh. I can't get this login to work, but here is a published paper on the subject. Specifically hatchback spoilers.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...nsor/41a9d8aebc6f82d1c9eadd6a527e59dad3049c01
The issue described in that article was primarily lift, not drag.
From the article cited by @DaveC426913 .
Here's what that article says:
"The spoiler effectively reduced the aerodynamic lift at positive inclination angle by causing the surface pressure near the roof-spoiler junction to increase"

You don't want your tail flying - you want traction.

But it also includes drag information.

I can't access the pdf, but I can access the graphics.
This one shows the pressure map for different configurations:

6-Figure5-1.png


So with no spoiler, you get significant pull (thus drag) on the rear window.
Neutral spoiler (which appears to be what the cars are using) has no significant effect on lift, but cleans up a lot of drag.

Attempting to eliminate lift (last image) creates more drag.
 
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