Why do poeple say Killing yourself is Bad?

[robertm]

Of course suicide is murder. It is the premeditated killing of a human being. Simple logic.

Well, I suppose it depends on the definition of the word that you so choose to invoke.

U.S. Legal Definitions gives it as:

A person commits the crime of murder if with intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the death of that person or of another person,or under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life, he recklessly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of death to a person other than himself, and thereby causes the death of another person.

(emphasis added)

http://definitions.uslegal.com/m/murder/"

British law has made a distinction between murder and suicide since the mid 1800's.

And legally, it is against the law in many states (look it up). Though they are reluctant to enforce it, LOL.

By the early 1990s only two US states still listed suicide as a crime, and these have since removed that classification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_views_of_suicide#United_States"

To be fair, perhaps you were referring to assisted suicide, which is illegal in several states.

But as a society it is not condoned, of course.

Originally, you stated that murder was not condoned, after defining suicide as murder. Not that, as a whole, the public's attitude towards suicide is the same as that towards homicide, which I doubt you would say.

Frankly, it does not matter what the public feels on this matter except in cases of mental illness and incarceration, which was my point.

Nothing to do with commitments or family obligations or "sin" or religious stigma. More to do with the respect for human life.

By commitment, I was referring to forcefully being held in a mental institution in order to prevent suicide, which is one of the two ways that the public can interfere in such a choice.

Again, the only concept which has any bearing on this issue are the individual's respect towards his/her own life (unless, of course, they value some other's opinion).

 

[gary350]

I know 4 people that killed themself.

Most people are basically good people and want to help. That is why people say you should not kill yourself. They want to help you figure out why your thinking like that and fix the problem.

I knew a guy in his mid 20s that was having trouble getting a girl friend. He just wasn't the type most girls like. There had to be a girl somewhere in the world for him but is had not found her yet. He was so lonely he just could not take it anymore so Friday night he ended it. Interesting note there was a girl in town that killed herself for the same reason a few weeks later. If they had only met.

A lady at work tried to kill herself every Sunday night, her husband had to keep a close eye on her. Finally one sunday night she did it. Her husband woke up the next morning next to a cold dead body.

I knew another person that was 27 years old with some health problems. The person realized there was no life for him with all those health problems. He could not get a job no one wanted to hire someone with his health problems. He had no money, no friends, no wife, no girl friend and was so lonely he shot himself. That was 20 years ago.

With all the dating services on the internet these days there is no reason everyone can not find a partner. There has to be someone just like them out there somewhere.

I went to high school with a guy that was ugly. Girls would have nothing to do with him he was so ugly. He went to college for a few years then dropped out. Then a few years later he went to a college for blind students and met a very nice lady and they were married and now they have children. They all lived happy ever after.

My cousins 16 year old son got into a very hot argument with his father. He went into the bedroom and killed himself a few minutes later. The father took it very hard and was hospitalized for 3 weeks, he later had 4 strokes in a years time and is now paralized in a wheel chair. The whole family suffered because if it. His mother now has to support the family and his older sister missed her chance to go to college.

You just can not solve everyones problem. If you want to kill yourself and can not find any other way then do it. What are you waiting for? But before I would kill myself I would get me an attractive prostutite and hump her all day and all night then tell her I have no money. LOL.

 

[rootX]

You just can not solve everyones problem. If you want to kill yourself and can not find any other way then do it. What are you waiting for? But before I would kill myself I would get me an attractive prostutite and hump her all day and all night then tell her I have no money. LOL.

meh ..

 

[gravenewworld]

I've had to live through two suicides within the family. It is bad because of what it makes your family go through. You don't realize how many gray hairs a mother gets after she has to bury her 18 year old son that committed suicide.

 

[ideasrule]

I knew another person that was 27 years old with some health problems. The person realized there was no life for him. He could not get a job no one wanted to hire someone with his health problems. He had no money, no friends, no wife, no girl friend and was so lonely he shot himself.

With all the dating services on the internet these days there is no reason everyone can not find a partner. There has to be someone just like them out there somewhere.

Do you know what it's like to have no money, no friends, no wife, and no girl friend? There's an underlying problem somewhere preventing this person from having social relationships, and I don't think a dating service is going to fix that.

 

[arildno]

Wow what a depressing yet silly thread.

I've never known, met, or heard of anyone who had come to the logical conclusion that suicide was the best option. It's silly. That's like someone in high school going "Oh I failed math, life is over, /wrist". I see a lot of people pinpoint why they're sad and then just blow it out of proportion until it's their entire life.

Has anyone ever heard of someone committing suicide that came out to be a 'plus' for those around them or even themselves?

It certainly could be a non-minus in some particular cultures:

For example, during the reigns of Tiberius, Nero and Domitian, numerous individuals got a living out of being "delators", i.e, basically charging others for being guilty of treason.

If convicted, the delator would collect a fee, the rest of the delated individual's estate would pass to the emperor.

In order to salvage his own estates for his family, numerous persons (like the philosopher Seneca) took their own lives to escape formal conviction.
(Without a formal conviction, the emperor "only" got the bequest given him in the will, the rest was left to the family)

 

[MissSilvy]

Maybe I'm just a horrible person, but every time I hear about someone killing themselves because they don't have a girlfriend/boyfriend, I sort of laugh. What a stupid and vain thing to kill yourself over.

 

[CRYorDIE9]

Depends, pain usually arises from a specific event (for example, you fall and "skin" your knees) whereas clinical depression often doesn't arise from external stimuli. Some people, like my sister, just have/had chemical imbalances in their brain.

My god, I'm not talking about Clinical Depression, I agree with how to deal with this type of depression because the brain isn't normally functioning right because they were born that way. However the point i was making is that, there are reason people get depressed ( normal depression).

Why do you people believe when an individual is going thought so much negative things that's happening to there lives , you expect them to stay emotional positive? That's like a person feeling pleasure every time he gets hit and coming back for more.Knowing the body is getting damaged .

Getting Depress is natural , just like feeling pain is natural, these things happen for a reason .

To stop depression make the indiviuals life better , simple as that, no need to drug him with fake positive emotion that only killing the brain .

 

[junglebeast]

This is complete nonsense. You should educate yourself with the current medical view of depression. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/depression/complete-index.shtml" .

The part of you post that I bolded is a 1950's view of depression..."Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!" It would be just as silly to tell that to a person with lung cancer.

I've read many articles on depression, and none of them provided convincing evidence to the contrary of my opinion. "Current opinions" are not evidence for anything other than people's opinions. If you have something specific that you'd like to share, go ahead..but saying my viewpoint is complete nonsense and giving a generic link to a depression website is in no way productive.

 

[Proton Soup]

My god, I'm not talking about Clinical Depression, I agree with how to deal with this type of depression because the brain isn't normally functioning right because they were born that way. However the point i was making is that, there are reason people get depressed ( normal depression).

Why do you people believe when an individual is going thought so much negative things that's happening to there lives , you expect them to stay emotional positive? That's like a person feeling pleasure every time he gets hit and coming back for more.Knowing the body is getting damaged .

Getting Depress is natural , just like feeling pain is natural, these things happen for a reason .

To stop depression make the indiviuals life better , simple as that, no need to drug him with fake positive emotion that only killing the brain .

well see, here's the thing. you would think people in america would all be happy, right? because our lives are pretty good compared to people in many other parts of the world. yet, we're not. there are a lot of very unhappy people here. it's not a simple matter of how good your situation is. the root cause is often organic, which causes everything to seem much worse than it is.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Getting Depress is natural , just like feeling pain is natural, these things happen for a reason .

Normal depression rarely leads to suicide. I believe most of us have referred to clinical depression due to your references to suicide.

 

[CRYorDIE9]

well see, here's the thing. you would think people in america would all be happy, right? because our lives are pretty good compared to people in many other parts of the world. yet, we're not. there are a lot of very unhappy people here. it's not a simple matter of how good your situation is. the root cause is often organic, which causes everything to seem much worse than it is.

So if somebody is rich in life, and they are depressed, that mean there is something wrong with them mentally, from a organic stand point? are you ****ing kinding?

It doesn't matter how good your situation or stander of living is, you can still have bad experiences with your life.

When people base there life and value on things like Materialism "you would think people in america would all be happy, right? because our lives are pretty good compared to people in many other parts of the world. yet, we're not." They tend to lose the most important and essential things needed in life.

here are a few examples, love , friendship, having a sense of belonging, being yourself and etc.

People become depress because they don't have those things i typed up top , it doesn't matter how rich or poor you are, being alone is one of the main things that lead to depression.

A rich guy may not be happy with his life because people only like him because of money or want to be around him so that they may make money off of him . Maybe the rich guy feels he has no real true friends in his life and in the end feels alone. Women may only be with him because of money and it make him feel bad that women are only interested in him because of money.

A child from school may not be happy because he is bullied all the time, making school harder for the child. Being a outcast as a child all because you are different or that some may don't like you can really effected you psychologically . it doesn't mean the child is brain problems or that the problem is organic.

let say some girl hate the way they look because they are ugly. They have to suffer because of something they had no control over. being sadden by the way she look , the girl become depress and feel there is no point in here life if she can't find somebody to love. Of course the girl can find some body that's ugly like her, but it doesn't change the fact that she hates the way she looks.

what about a person who want to be accepted so badly that he changed everything about himself to gain acceptance a pond others. Even tho he may be accepted by people, deep down inside he is unhappy because he is being something he is not!


Like I said, its all about the persons interests , Materialism doesn't mean ****. I know a few people who would give up a lot of money or stuff to have friends, a girl/boy friend, and etc.

 

[Evo]

CryorDIE, you're confusing being unhappy with depression, they are not the same.

 

[rootX]

Maybe I'm just a horrible person, but every time I hear about someone killing themselves because they don't have a girlfriend/boyfriend, I sort of laugh. What a stupid and vain thing to kill yourself over.

I don't think anyone who is healthy(mentally) would ever kill himself for not getting a girlfriend or boyfriend. That is simply not possible.

 

[junglebeast]

I don't think anyone who is healthy(mentally) would ever kill himself for not getting a girlfriend or boyfriend. That is simply not possible.

I agree with that, but I also think a person will become mentally unstable if they are deprived of all romantic contact with the opposite gender for a long enough time..

 

[FireSky86]

Sadly, for many people, that isn't true; they're right in thinking the whole world is against them. Imagine this scenario: in his childhood, a boy was abused by his parents and not allowed to have friends. Suffering from stress, pain, and loneliness, he becomes an adult who has no idea how to socialize and alienates everybody he meets. If he enters a depression, nobody will come to help him; likely, nobody will know or care. Some people may even consider it a relief if he ever suicides.

I'm not just practicing my fiction writing skills; a lot of people have no friends and no supportive relatives. To think that every death is a tragedy is sadly an over-optimistic view of the world.

I feel the exact same way. Obviously, I am someone who seems to alienate people somewhat. Being hearing impaired since birth has affected me. The psychological pain is more unbearable than the physical pain. It occurs more often.

I think about suicide almost every single day. Have you ever wondered why many people say to themselves "oh FML..."? Most people don't like to say it but they are not leading a good life (whatever that is or whatever society tells them is).

One can easily see the world as being mundane and not full of surprises.

 

[brf4n]

suicide is "bad" because it is unfit to kill youself.