Why Do Satellites Orbit at Different Speeds and Altitudes?

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The discussion centers on the differences in orbital speeds and altitudes of satellites, particularly contrasting geostationary satellites with those that orbit the Earth at varying speeds. Participants explore the relationship between altitude, gravitational force, and orbital speed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that geostationary satellites remain fixed in position relative to the Earth, while others orbit at much higher speeds.
  • There is a suggestion that the differing speeds of satellites could be explained by their altitudes, with higher satellites moving slower due to lower gravitational forces.
  • Participants propose that geostationary satellites must be at the same altitude to maintain their position, balancing gravitational force with centripetal acceleration.
  • One participant provides a formula for circular orbits: v = √(GM/r), where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the Earth, and r is the radius of the orbit.
  • It is mentioned that all geostationary satellites are located in the Clarke Belt, orbiting in the plane of the equator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is some agreement on the principles of altitude and speed, the discussion includes varying interpretations and uncertainties regarding the gravitational forces and the implications of the formulas presented. No consensus is reached on all aspects of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants express some confusion regarding the formula for orbital speed, indicating potential limitations in understanding or applying the concepts discussed.

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Some satelites is just hanging there in a geostationary position, like TV satelites, communication satelites etc.

Some other satelites are moving around the Earth with a time for rotating around the Earth like something like 2-3 hours (??!)

How can this be, some of then is just hanging, some are moving around with great speed. How can this be ?

Is the explanation as simle that they are doing their journey on different altitudes so that thy will have different tangential speed ?

Could it be that those that are moving around the Earth at high speed balance out a higner gravitational force using the higher speed, while those that has geostationary levels are moving more slowly due to a smaller gravitational force ?

Is it like that and will it then be like that all geostationary satelites have to be located on the same level to balance out the gravitational force using the sentripetal accelleration ?

Faster satelites should then be on a lower level right ?

What would then be the (sipmplified) equataion for the speed of a satelite on a established level ?

Is it true that all geostationary satelites are on the same level ?
 
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Langbein said:
Some satelites is just hanging there in a geostationary position, like TV satelites, communication satelites etc.

Some other satelites are moving around the Earth with a time for rotating around the Earth like something like 2-3 hours (??!)

How can this be, some of then is just hanging, some are moving around with great speed. How can this be ?


Could it be that those that are moving around the Earth at high speed balance out a higner gravitational force using the higher speed, while those that has geostationary levels are moving more slowly due to a smaller gravitational force ?
yes
Is it like that and will it then be like that all geostationary satelites have to be located on the same level to balance out the gravitational force using the sentripetal accelleration ?
yes
Faster satelites should then be on a lower level right ?
right
What would then be the (sipmplified) equataion for the speed of a satelite on a established level ?
For circular orbits:
[tex]v = \sqrt{\frac{GM}{r}}[/tex]
Where:
G is the universal gravitational constant
M is the mass of the planet the satellite is orbiting
r is the radius of the orbit as measured from the center of the planet.
For the Earth, GM is equal to ~4 x 1014
Is it true that all geostationary satelites are on the same level ?

Yes, and they (as opposed to geosynchronous satellites) also all orbit in the plane of the equator. This is known as the Clarke Belt. (Named after the person who, in 1947, first suggested that you could put a satellite there and use it to relay signals around the world.)
 
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Thanks a lot for two really good answers ! :-)

.. I only has some small problems with the formula in the last answer ..
(But I try to find it out ..)
 
Langbein said:
Thanks a lot for two really good answers ! :-)

.. I only has some small problems with the formula in the last answer ..
(But I try to find it out ..)

Sorry, I fixed the formating. try it now.
 
Thanks a lot, It works fine now :-)
 

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