Why Do Some People Wear Summer Clothes on Snowy Mountains?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of individuals wearing summer clothing, such as T-shirts and shorts, while on snowy mountains. Participants explore the relationship between air and ground temperatures, personal tolerance to cold, and the effects of sunlight and snow on temperature perception. The conversation includes considerations of climate variability and the thermal properties of snow and ice.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the air temperature can be warm despite the presence of snow on the ground, highlighting the lack of direct correlation between ground and air temperatures in mountainous regions.
  • Others mention individual differences in cold tolerance, with some people comfortable in cooler temperatures.
  • A participant proposes that snow can remain for extended periods in warm weather due to its high heat capacity and the latent heat required for melting.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability of mountain weather, with examples of significant temperature swings observed over short periods.
  • Discussion includes the thermal properties of water, noting its high heat capacity and low thermal conductivity, which allows for insulation in structures like igloos.
  • Some participants question the relationship between heat capacity and thermal conductivity, suggesting a potential correlation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the factors influencing temperature perception on snowy mountains, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about personal comfort levels, the effects of altitude on temperature, and the specific conditions under which the observations were made. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of thermal dynamics in snowy environments.

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I once saw a photo of a person standing on top of mountain covered with snow but wearing T-shirt and shorts. How can this be? He said it was because it was warm up there.

Since it was a sunny day does the snow reflects sunlight very well so the air near the mountain is at a high temperture but the ground is 0 celsius so very cold to touch. A good pair of insulating shoes should prevent heat leaking out of the person to the ground so summer ware is okay?

But I was seen people wearing a lot on sunny days on top of snow mountains as well. So my answer could be wrong.
 
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The air can be very warm, even if there's snow on the ground. Conversely, the air can be very cold, even if the ground is warm. There is no direct correlation between ground and air temperatures, particularly in the mountains, where a significant amount of air-mass mixing occurs.

- Warren
 
Also, people have different tolerances for cold. I, for example, normally wear shorts in 40 degree weather. (And sometimes even in cooler weather!)

And besides, a big mound of snow can last a very long time in warm weather.
 
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chroot said:
The air can be very warm, even if there's snow on the ground. Conversely, the air can be very cold, even if the ground is warm. There is no direct correlation between ground and air temperatures, particularly in the mountains, where a significant amount of air-mass mixing occurs.

- Warren

Hurkyl said:
And besides, a big mound of snow can last a very long time in warm weather.
Is that because ice like water is an excellent insulator with a big heat capacity so a lot of heat must be absorbed until it melts. So at the time the photograph was taken it was probably early summer and the temperture in the air was high 20s but the snow hasn't absorbed enough heat for it to melt. It also takes some latent heat to melt it as well so that could contribute to most of the delay. Correct?
 
It doesn't have to be summer though - climate matters. I was at Lake Tahoe last March and the first two days, the high was in the 50s (F) while the third day, the high was 11. Mountains see wide swings in weather and 4-6 hours of warm weather doesn't add much heat to the snow. And at 12,000 feet, on snow, the sun is very warm on your skin. I wore jeans and a t-shirt and was quite comfortable.
 
russ_watters said:
It doesn't have to be summer though - climate matters. I was at Lake Tahoe last March and the first two days, the high was in the 50s (F) while the third day, the high was 11. Mountains see wide swings in weather and 4-6 hours of warm weather doesn't add much heat to the snow. And at 12,000 feet, on snow, the sun is very warm on your skin. I wore jeans and a t-shirt and was quite comfortable.

Why do mountains see wide swings in weather?

Does the mountains have snow on them? If so than I thougt H2O had a high heat capacity so there shouldn't be wild swings in the weather when H2O is present.
 
H2O does have a high heat capacity, but has a pretty low thermal conductivity. This is why you can build a shelter out of ice (an igloo), and actually stay warm inside it. It's a rather decent insulator!

- Warren
 
chroot said:
H2O does have a high heat capacity, but has a pretty low thermal conductivity. This is why you can build a shelter out of ice (an igloo), and actually stay warm inside it. It's a rather decent insulator!

- Warren

As long as you don't touch it. Although looking at the ice might make one cold?

It seems logical to think heat capacity is negatively correlated to thermal conductivity because if something increases its temperture by a small amount of heat than its likely to conduct heat well.
 
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