Why do some writers turn to pseudoscience in their stories?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of writers incorporating pseudoscientific ideas into their stories, particularly in the realm of science fiction. Participants share their experiences with authors whose works they previously enjoyed but later found to include controversial or fringe scientific concepts. The conversation touches on the implications of such choices and the nature of science fiction itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses disappointment in James P. Hogan's recent work, citing its reliance on pseudoscientific ideas like Velikovskyism and the plasma universe theory.
  • Another participant mentions that some authors, like William Gibson, have shifted their writing style away from traditional science fiction.
  • There is a suggestion that L. Ron Hubbard's later works may reflect a decline in his mental state, raising questions about the relationship between an author's personal beliefs and their writing.
  • Some participants argue about the definition of science fiction, with one claiming that vague science fiction lacks the necessary scientific grounding to be considered part of the genre.
  • Another participant counters that popular franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek can be categorized differently based on their treatment of science and technology within their narratives.
  • One participant emphasizes that the distinction between science fiction and other genres is important for accuracy, noting that not all futuristic stories adhere to scientific principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on what constitutes science fiction and whether certain works should be classified as such. There is no consensus on the implications of pseudoscience in literature or the motivations behind writers' choices.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific authors and their works without reaching a definitive conclusion about their quality or the validity of the ideas presented. The discussion reflects a range of opinions on the relationship between science fiction and scientific accuracy.

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I had to serve jury duty today, which meant sitting in a jury assembly room all day waiting to be called to a court room. (Luckily. they decided that they wouldn't need any jurors and sent us all home early.)

I had come prepared for a long siege as I had bought a new paperback novel to read. The author was one whose previous books I had enjoyed. He is James P. Hogan, and he had written some fairly decent hard SF (One of my favorites is The Code of the Lifemaker).

A hadn't read any of his work for while, and I was kind of interested to see what he'd come up with.

Boy, what a shock! Its just brimming with crackpottery! Velikovskyism, Plasma universe/electric sun, "spinning ring" model of sub-atomic particles,...

Now I understand that a Science Fiction writer has to bend the rules from time to time to tell his story and sometimes has to incorporate some controversial concepts, but he is out and out preaching for these ideas. He even incorporates the time-worn complaint of crackpots everywhere that scientists are too interested to protecting the "status quo" to accept new ideas.

What could make a writer go off the deep end like this? And have you ever had it happen to you? Has a writer you liked ever start producing junk?
 
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William Gibson's recent books have been Douglas Coupland style lifestyle articles than sf.
Larry Niven and the new Ringworld books ?
 
Didn't L. Ron Hubbard go a little nutty towards the end?
 
I don't know if Hubbard was ever playing with a completely full deck.
His first article on Dianetics came out in 1949, when he was only 38.
 
I'm not sure if he qualifies as a "good writer" either.
 
That's why I like Sci Fi that is fairly vague. They got a teleporter to work. Good for them. I don't care how.
 
Poop-Loops said:
That's why I like Sci Fi that is fairly vague. They got a teleporter to work. Good for them. I don't care how.
That means it is not science fiction. It is some other genre, but set in the future.
 
Yup, I guess Star Wars, Star Trek, and Dune aren't Science Fiction. It's a good thing you're here to tell me these things.
 
Janus said:
I had to serve jury duty today, which meant sitting in a jury assembly room all day waiting to be called to a court room. (Luckily. they decided that they wouldn't need any jurors and sent us all home early.)

I had come prepared for a long siege as I had bought a new paperback novel to read. The author was one whose previous books I had enjoyed. He is James P. Hogan, and he had written some fairly decent hard SF (One of my favorites is The Code of the Lifemaker).

A hadn't read any of his work for while, and I was kind of interested to see what he'd come up with.

Boy, what a shock! Its just brimming with crackpottery! Velikovskyism, Plasma universe/electric sun, "spinning ring" model of sub-atomic particles,...

Now I understand that a Science Fiction writer has to bend the rules from time to time to tell his story and sometimes has to incorporate some controversial concepts, but he is out and out preaching for these ideas. He even incorporates the time-worn complaint of crackpots everywhere that scientists are too interested to protecting the "status quo" to accept new ideas.

What could make a writer go off the deep end like this? And have you ever had it happen to you? Has a writer you liked ever start producing junk?

Well, up until this post of yours..... :wink: :-p
 
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Poop-Loops said:
Yup, I guess Star Wars, Star Trek, and Dune aren't Science Fiction. It's a good thing you're here to tell me these things.
Star Wars is not Science Fiction; it is Space Fantasy. The reason it's Space Fantasy is precisely because the "science" is irrelevant to the story. The ships and gadgets could be powered by bunnies hopped up on Red Bull and it wouldn't change the story one bit. We don't know or care how the hyperdrive, light sabres, force fields or any other such technology works, we just take it as a given that it does.

Star Trek is science fiction because it does care about the technology - the science - (well, at least, it tries to). It is important that the core aspects of story are consistent and explainable. (Let's not quibble on details - of course there's a range, and not all of it is science).


Here's a quick way to spot the difference: you don't ever hear anyone pointing at Star Wars and saying "Hey, that could never happen!"

As for Dune, I'll abstain.

In the larger scheme of things, anything that is remotely futuristic is lumped under science fiction, but to those care care to be accurate (many writers in the field), it's an important distinction.
 
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