Why do the digits 12, 45, and 78 form the numbers 3, 9, and 6 in this order?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between certain prime numbers and their digital roots, specifically focusing on the digits 12, 45, and 78, and how they relate to the numbers 3, 9, and 6. Participants explore the implications of digital roots in the context of prime numbers and divisibility by 3.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a method of summing the digits of prime numbers to derive a sequence of numbers, noting that the numbers 3, 6, and 9 do not appear in this sequence.
  • Another participant explains that a number is divisible by 3 if the sum of its digits is divisible by 3, suggesting this might explain the observations made by the first participant.
  • Several participants question why only the digits 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, and 8 appear, and how they relate to the numbers 3, 6, and 9 through summation.
  • A participant introduces the concept of digital roots, explaining that the digital root of a number is determined by its remainder when divided by 9, and discusses why certain digital roots (3, 6, 9) do not appear among primes.
  • Concerns are raised about the method used to combine digits into the number 124578 and whether this approach is logically sound, with some suggesting it resembles numerology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the method of calculating digital roots and the implications of the results. There is no consensus on the validity of the approach or the significance of the findings, with some participants questioning the logic behind combining digits in the manner described.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the method of summing digits and how it applies to larger primes. There are also unresolved questions about the reasoning behind the specific combinations of digits and their resulting sums.

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I took the prime numbers from this link:
http://nl.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wiskunde/Getallen/Lijst_priemgetallen

I did take the first three lines
I did the following with the numbers
The prime 11 = 1+1 = 2
The prime 13 = 1+3 = 4
The prime 17 = 1+7 = 8 and so on

This is the result for the three rows"
2 3 5 7 2 4 8 1 5 2 4 1 5 7 2 8 5 7 4 8 1 7 2 8 7 2 4 8 1 5 1 5 2 4 5 7 4 1 5 2 8 1 2 4 8
1 4 7 2 4 8 5 7 8 5 2 8 1 7 2 4 5 1 5 7 2 7 4 5 7 2 8 7 4 1 5 2 1 5 4 5 7 8 1 7 2 8 7 2 4
8 2 1 5 4 8 5 8 1 1 7 8 5 2 4 1 2 8 5 7 4 1 5 7 1 2 4 8 5 2 4 7 2 8 7 8 7 8 7 4 1 5 4 1 5

There is only once the number 3 and never again does it come up
( I did the same for larger primes)

The numbers 3 6 9 never show when I use this method

The numbers 124578 only show, Funny is
1+2=3 4+5=9 7+8=15=1+5=6 (396)(124578)

Can you please explain this?

Kind regards Rene
 
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Teragabaga said:
There is only once the number 3 and never again does it come up
( I did the same for larger primes)

A number is divisible by 3 if and only if the sum of its digits is divisible by 3. So 1431 is divisible by 3 because 1 + 4 + 3 +1 = 9 is divisible by 3. This explains your observations.
 
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micromass said:
A number is divisible by 3 if and only if the sum of its digits is divisible by 3. So 1431 is divisible by 3 because 1 + 4 + 3 +1 = 9 is divisible by 3. This explains your observations.

Yes I understand but when using my method do the numbers 3 6 9 never show?
And why only the numbers 124578 ? which is 12=3 45=9 78=15=6?

Thank you
 
Teragabaga said:
Yes I understand but when using my method do the numbers 3 6 9 never show?

What is a prime number?
 
micromass said:
A number is divisible by 3 if and only if the sum of its digits is divisible by 3. So 1431 is divisible by 3 because 1 + 4 + 3 +1 = 9 is divisible by 3. This explains your observations.
Yes I understand, stupid from me! Thanks!
 
micromass said:
A number is divisible by 3 if and only if the sum of its digits is divisible by 3. So 1431 is divisible by 3 because 1 + 4 + 3 +1 = 9 is divisible by 3. This explains your observations.
Hi all.

But what me makes wonder is, the numbers 3 6 9 do not appear for Obvious reasons.

Only the numbers (124578) But these numbers make up the "missing" numbers 3-6-9?
1+2=3 4+5=9 7+8=15=1+5=6 (396)(124578)

Why is this so?

Thanks, Rene
 
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I'm not sure I understand your method. What do you do with, e.g., 19? 1+9=0 . What if you have larger primes , like 967. You add 9+6+7 ? Then you get 22 .
 
Bacle2 said:
I'm not sure I understand your method. What do you do with, e.g., 19? 1+9=0 . What if you have larger primes , like 967. You add 9+6+7 ? Then you get 22 .
19 -> 1+9=10 -> 1+0=1
967 -> 9+6+7=22 -> 2+2=4

Teragabaga is finding the digital roots of the prime numbers. The digital root of a positive integer n is 9 if n is a multiple of 9, n mod 9 otherwise:
\operatorname{dr}(n) =<br /> \begin{cases} 9 &amp; n\equiv 0 \pmod 9 \\ n \bmod 9 &amp; \text{otherwise} \end{cases}
The reason 9 never shows up is simple. A number with a digital root of 9 means the number is a multiple of 9. Since 9 isn't prime, all positive multiples of 9 aren't prime. Alternatively, a prime cannot have a digital root of 9.

The reason 6 never shows up is almost as simple. A number with a digital root of 6 means the number is an even multiple of 3 but not a multiple of 9. Once again, this means the number is composite (not prime) because the number is a product of two integers, both of which are greater than one. Alternatively, a prime cannot have a digital root of 6.

Finally, 3 shows up once because a number with a digital root of 3 means the number is an odd multiple of 3 but not a multiple of 9. There's only one odd multiple of 3 that is prime (3 itself), so 3 shows up exactly once.
 
D H said:
19 -> 1+9=10 -> 1+0=1
967 -> 9+6+7=22 -> 2+2=4

Teragabaga is finding the digital roots of the prime numbers. The digital root of a positive integer n is 9 if n is a multiple of 9, n mod 9 otherwise:
\operatorname{dr}(n) =<br /> \begin{cases} 9 &amp; n\equiv 0 \pmod 9 \\ n \bmod 9 &amp; \text{otherwise} \end{cases}
The reason 9 never shows up is simple. A number with a digital root of 9 means the number is a multiple of 9. Since 9 isn't prime, all positive multiples of 9 aren't prime. Alternatively, a prime cannot have a digital root of 9.

The reason 6 never shows up is almost as simple. A number with a digital root of 6 means the number is an even multiple of 3 but not a multiple of 9. Once again, this means the number is composite (not prime) because the number is a product of two integers, both of which are greater than one. Alternatively, a prime cannot have a digital root of 6.

Finally, 3 shows up once because a number with a digital root of 3 means the number is an odd multiple of 3 but not a multiple of 9. There's only one odd multiple of 3 that is prime (3 itself), so 3 shows up exactly once.

I understand, the only digital roots you can find are 1 2 4 5 7 8. But the funny thing is
1+2=3
4+5=9
7+8=15=1+5=6.

So 124578 = 396

I'm just curious why this is so.

Thanks.
 
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Teragabaga said:
1+2=3
4+5=9
7+8=15=1+5=6.

So 124578 = 396

124578 was not a number you got, these were separate digits, which you combined into a number without any particular reason, then you applied the summation in an incomplete way (why 369 and not 3+6+9=1+8=9?). You did two random things and you expect a logical explanation to the final result. I believe this is starting to be numerology.
 
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Borek said:
124578 was not a number you got, these were separate digits, which you combined into a number without any particular reason, then you applied the summation in an incomplete way (why 369 and not 3+6+9=1+8=9?). You did two random things and you expect a logical explanation to the final result. I believe this is starting to be numerology.

Yes just the gigits 12 45 78 but I find it strange that they form 3 9 6 in this order.
I don't know about numerology.

Thanks.
 

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