Why do the slopes of f(x)=x^x^x and f(x)=x^x^x^x behave unexpectedly?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the slopes of the functions f(x)=x^x^x and f(x)=x^x^x^x, particularly focusing on their derivatives at various points. Participants explore the unexpected changes in slope values across specified intervals, raising questions about the underlying reasons for these behaviors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents calculated values of f(x) and its derivative at various points, noting that the slopes between 0.2 and 0.7 are decreasing and asks for explanations.
  • Another participant suggests differentiating the function to verify the observations made about the slopes.
  • A third participant humorously echoes the previous suggestion to differentiate the function.
  • There is a clarification request regarding the interpretation of the function's notation, questioning whether it is ((x^x)^x)^x or x^(x^(x^x)).
  • One participant provides a differentiation approach for f(x)=x^{g(x)}, detailing the steps involved in deriving the function's derivative.
  • Another participant suggests plotting the function alongside x^x, proposing that the decrease in slopes is due to x^x being a decreasing function in that range.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the slope behaviors, with multiple viewpoints and suggestions for further exploration remaining present throughout the discussion.

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Some calculations and assumptions about the functions and their derivatives may depend on specific definitions or interpretations that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hey people,
Consider the function:
f(x)=x^x^x
At 0,f(x)=0 and d/dx=1
At 1,f(x)=1 and d/dx=1
At 2,f(x)=16 and d/dx=107.11
At 3,f(x)=7.625597485000*10^12 and d/dx=5.43324993100000*10^14

Why this? Check the slopes...

And: Slopes between 0-1
At 0.1, f(x)=0.16057 d/dx= 1.658
At 0.2, f(x)=0.31146 d/dx=1.350
At 0.3, f(x)=0.43215 d/dx=1.070
At 0.4, f(x)=0.52987 d/dx=0.890
At 0.5, f(x)=0.61255 d/dx=0.777
At 0.6, f(x)=0.68662 d/dx=0.716
At 0.7, f(x)=0.75740 d/dx=0.708
At 0.8, f(x)=0.82972 d/dx=0.747
At 0.9, f(x)=0.90862 d/dx=0.840
At 1.0, f(x)=1.00000 d/dx=1.000
The slopes between 0.2-0.7 are decreasing...why's that? Can anyone explain?

And one more function f(x)=x^x^x^x
At 0, d/dx=-infinity
At 0.1, d/dx=-1.528330000
At 0.2, d/dx=-0.37292
At 0.3 d/dx~0
At 0.4 d/dx=0.31333
At 0.5 d/dx=0.45030
At 0.6 d/dx=0.54327
At 0.7 d/dx=0.63323
At 0.8 d/dx=0.72329
At 0.9 d/dx=0.83695
At 1.0 d/dx=1.000

So can anyone say why does the slope decrease and then increase so rapidly? Hope my questions are not falling on deaf ears!
 
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Well, you might try to differentiate the animal and verify your observations!
 
arildno said:
Well, you might try to differentiate the animal and verify your observations!
:smile: :smile: Good one!
 
Is this ((x^x)^x)^x or (what I'm assuming) x^(x^(x^x))?

EDIT: Or I can just be smart and plug in one of the values you've so kindly given us. Never mind
 
It isn't that difficult to differentiate the creature.
Let's tackle the first one:
[tex]f(x)=x^{g(x)}=e^{\ln(x)g(x)}, g(x)=x^{x}=e^{x\ln(x)}[/tex]
Thus,
[tex]\frac{df}{dx}=f(x)*(\frac{g(x)}{x}+\ln(x)g'(x))=f(x)*(\frac{g(x)}{x}+\ln(x)g(x)(\ln(x)+1))[/tex]

This might then be written out more fully, if that's important to you.
 
Just plot the function, alongside x^x. The reason the slopes decrease is beacaues x^x is a decreasing function for a short time in and around that range.
 

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