Why Do Vacuum Energy Calculations Vary Between d^3k and d^4k Integrals?

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The discussion revolves around the varying calculations of vacuum energy in quantum field theory, specifically examining the differences between integrals expressed as d3k and d4k. Participants explore the implications of these different forms, including the introduction of logarithmic terms and the dimensionality of the integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that vacuum energy is often calculated as a sum of zero point modes, but express uncertainty about the dimensionality of the integrals presented.
  • One participant suggests that the d4k integral may relate to the calculation of the log of the partition function, which connects to statistical mechanics.
  • Another participant raises a concern about potential divergences when taking the temperature to zero, questioning the behavior of terms in the limit.
  • There is a discussion about the role of Kaluza-Klein excitations in the context of the d4k integral, with a participant seeking clarity on the origin of the logarithmic term.
  • Multiple authors are cited, each providing different expressions for vacuum energy, leading to confusion regarding the underlying principles or reasoning for these variations.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of working in five dimensions rather than the typical four, which may contribute to the discrepancies.
  • Another point raised is the importance of regularization schemes, with implications that different methods may yield different results, particularly in terms of normalization and cutoff dependence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and uncertainties regarding the calculations of vacuum energy, with no consensus reached on the reasons for the differences in integral forms or their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the differences in expressions for vacuum energy may stem from various regularization schemes and dimensional considerations, but these aspects remain unresolved within the discussion.

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Hey folks,

Sometimes I see the calculation of the vacuum energy written as:

[tex]\int\frac{d^3k}{(2\pi)^3}(k^2+m^2)[/tex]

and sometimes written:

[tex]\int\frac{d^4k}{(2\pi)^4}log(k^2+m^2)[/tex]

See for example http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0105021 equation9.

Does anyone know why you can increase the k integral power by one and why this introduces a log?

Thanks!
 
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Well, normally the vacuum energy is just a sum of zero point modes, of the form

[tex]\int\!\frac{d^3k}{(2\pi)^3} \frac{\hbar \omega_k}{2} \,[/tex]

I'm not sure what to make of the dimensionality of the expressions that you wrote down.
 
natural units used, and square root forgotten in first eqtn.

:)
 
you are also missing the sum the have in their equation.

It looks like they are calculating the log of the partition function (which gives the free energy divided by the temperature). I.e.,
[tex] \log(Z)=\frac{-1}{2}\sum_n\sum_{\bf k}\log((\omega_n^2+k^2+m^2)^2/T^2)\;.[/tex]
You can use the trick
[tex] log((2\pi n)^2+\beta^2\omega_k^2)=\left(\int_1^{\beta^2\omega_k^2}\frac{dx}{x+(2\pi n)^2}\right)+\log(1+(2\pi n)^2)[/tex]
(beta=1/T)
to show
[tex] \log(Z)=V\int\frac{d^3k}{(2\pi)^2}\left(\frac{-\beta\omega_k}{2}-\log(1-e^{-\beta\omega_k})\right)[/tex]
and then take T to zero to see.
[tex] E_0=V\int\frac{d^3 k}{(2\pi)^3}\omega_k[/tex]
(cf. Kapusta "Finite Temperature Field Theory" chap. 2).
 
Hmmm, that's pretty darn helpful. I hadn't thought of things in terms of statistical mechanics olgranpappy so thanks a lot of the insight.

I'm just working through your mathematics. Sorry if this is a retarded question, but if you take T to zero then won't the term [itex]-\beta\omega_k[/itex] diverge and the exponential term just go to 1 leeding to another divergence in the log term??
 
robousy said:
Hmmm, that's pretty darn helpful. I hadn't thought of things in terms of statistical mechanics olgranpappy so thanks a lot of the insight.

I'm just working through your mathematics. Sorry if this is a retarded question, but if you take T to zero then won't the term [itex]-\beta\omega_k[/itex] diverge
there's a beta on the LHS as well (log(Z)=-\beta F)
and the exponential term just go to 1 leeding to another divergence in the log term??
the exponential term e^(-\beta \omega) goes to zero since beta is going to infinity (T to zero) and then log(1+0)=0.
 
Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks so much for your help!

Richard
 
Actually, I'm working through this in detail and I'm still wondering where the [itex]d^4k[/itex] comes from. From Olganrappy's result we see

[tex]E_0=V\int\frac{d^3 k}{(2\pi)^3}\omega_k[/tex]

which is different to the result from the paper http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0105021 equation9

[tex]V=\frac{1}{2}\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty \int\frac{d^4k}{(2\pi)^4}log(k^2+\frac{\pi^2n^2)}{L^2}[/tex].

I understand that the 'n' term is a consequence of Kaluza Klein excitations around the extra dimension and appreciate the, its just the 4th power of k and the log that is giving me trouble. I know there is an extra dimension, but why the log?

Weinberg for example (http://ccdb4fs.kek.jp/cgi-bin/img/allpdf?198809190 ) calculates the vacuum energy (eq 3.5) as:

[tex]<\rho>=\frac{4\pi}{2(2\pi)^3}\int k^2 dk \sqrt{k^2+m^2}[/tex]

Alternatively Gupta (http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0210069) in eqn. 3 gives the vacuum energy as:

[tex]<E_{vac}>=\frac{1}{2}\int\frac{d^3k}{(2\pi)^3}\sqrt{k^2+m^2}[/tex]

As you can see, three authors give three different expressions for the vacuum energy, each integrated over different powers of 'k'. As you can imagine I find this quite confusing and am trying to find some principle or reasoning to try and understand why the integrals all a little different. Is it math, or is it in the physics?? I think its in the dimensionality of the spacetime model, but just wanted to check.

Thanks!

:)
 
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well... for one thing, it looks like they are working in 5 dimensions not 4 as is typical.
 
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Just inspecting the units, implies the equations presented are not the same thing.

1) There is a cutoff dependance, so choice of regularization is important. The exact value will differ between regularizations by one loop, depending on methods.
2) Some of those are energy densities, others are not!

Weinberg's and Gupta's expression differ by a choice of normalization.
 
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Hmmm, ok. I've found a paper today on finite temperature quantum field theory which explains why its d^4k. Seems like there are a number of regularization schemes. This is making my head spin. :)
 

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