Should the energy density of the vacuum be zero?

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The discussion centers around the energy density of the vacuum in quantum field theory, specifically questioning whether it should be considered zero. Participants explore the implications of negative energy modes, the treatment of antiparticles, and the definitions involved in vacuum energy calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for vacuum energy density and questions the exclusion of negative energy modes, suggesting that including them could lead to a vacuum energy density of zero.
  • Another participant asserts that there are no negative energy modes, emphasizing that quantum fields have a minimum energy ground state.
  • A participant references the Dirac equation, noting that negative energy solutions correspond to antiparticles with positive energy, reinforcing the idea that energy is bounded below.
  • One participant distinguishes between energy and frequency, claiming that while frequency can be negative, energy cannot.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of gravitational effects of antimatter, discussing the uncertainty surrounding whether antimatter attracts or repels matter and its implications for vacuum energy.
  • A later reply mentions normal ordering in quantum field theory, suggesting that the vacuum energy is defined as zero and discussing the complexities of this definition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of negative energy modes and their implications for vacuum energy. There is no consensus on whether the energy density of the vacuum should be considered zero, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the role of antimatter and definitions in quantum field theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of quantum field theory and the potential for confusion regarding definitions and interpretations of vacuum energy. The discussion reflects various assumptions and interpretations that are not universally accepted.

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According to [Dark Energy and the Accelerating Universe](https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March08/Frieman/Frieman5.html) quantum field theory says that the energy density of the vacuum, ##\rho_{vac}##, should be given by
$$\rho_{vac}=\frac{1}{2}\sum_{\rm fields}g_i\int_0^{\infty}\sqrt{k^2+m^2}\frac{d^3k}{(2\pi)^3}\approx\sum_{\rm fields}\frac{g_i k^4_{max}}{16\pi^2}$$
where ##g_i## is positive/negative for bosons/fermions and ##k_{max}## is some momentum cutoff.

My question is why do we only take the positive square root terms?

According to the Feynman-Stueckelberg interpretation a positive energy antiparticle going forward in time is equivalent to a negative energy particle going backwards in time. Maybe we cannot rule out negative energy virtual particles moving backwards in time?

Therefore, in order to include anti-particles in the above sum, maybe we should include the negative square root terms? If we do then we find that the energy density ##\rho_{vac}=0##.
 
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Ok I was wrong. I accept that antiparticles have positive energy. However my initial question still stands. Why are the negative energy modes ignored in the vacuum energy density calculation?
 
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jcap said:
Why are the negative energy modes ignored in the vacuum energy density calculation?

Because there are no "negative energy modes". There is a minimum energy ground state of any quantum field; no field state can have energy lower than that. The ground state is represented by ##k = 0##, or ##E = m##. All other states have energy larger than that.
 
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Thanks for your reply
 
PeterDonis said:
Because there are no "negative energy modes".
What about the negative energy solutions to the Dirac equation?
 
Khashishi said:
What about the negative energy solutions to the Dirac equation?

In quantum field theory they become antiparticles with positive energy. The energy is still bounded below.
 
One should distinguish energy from frequency. Frequency can be negative, but energy can't.
 
Ultimately, this question is related to the gravitational effects of antimatter. Due to the weakness of the gravitational force, we do not currently have direct experimental evidence of the gravitation between antimatter and matter. Antimatter could attract matter, or it could repel matter. So, antimatter could contribute the same as matter or opposite to matter in the (gravitational) vacuum energy.

There's plenty of reasons to believe that antimatter attracts matter. If antimatter repels matter, it suggests that antiphotons are not the same as photons. We should have detected antiphotons by gravitational lensing in astronomical measurements by now, if they exist separately from photons. But without a direct measurement, the jury is still out.
 
You should also look into something called Normal Ordering:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_order

The energy of the vacuum is by definition zero and how you do it is normal ordering.

This is entirely different from what you read except in what really matters - QFT textbooks - no wonder people get confused.

Even the ultra reliable John Baez isn't clear in QFT its usually taken as zero. But he is correct pointing out it is to some extent a matter of definition:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/vacuum.html

QFT is hard enough that we don't want to make it harder than necessary - taking it as zero iss by far the easiest way.

Thanks
Bill
 

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