Why do waves(in general) travel in different frequencies?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of waves, specifically addressing why they travel at different frequencies and the forces involved in wave motion. Participants explore concepts related to mechanical waves, electromagnetic waves, and the implications of wave-particle duality.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the forces that cause waves to oscillate, suggesting that restoring forces, such as in a spring-mass system, play a role in determining frequency.
  • Others argue that light, as an electromagnetic wave, does not behave like mechanical waves and that analogies to mechanical systems may be misleading.
  • A participant raises the issue of whether a photon experiences a force as it travels, expressing uncertainty about the nature of its motion over vast distances.
  • Another participant explains that the oscillations in electromagnetic waves are due to fluctuating electric and magnetic fields rather than a force acting on a particle.
  • One participant notes that the wave equation allows for solutions of any frequency, emphasizing that all waves can be expressed as combinations of different frequencies.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of waves and the applicability of mechanical analogies to light. There is no consensus on the relationship between forces and wave motion, particularly regarding electromagnetic waves.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of waves and forces, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the nature of light and the implications of wave-particle duality.

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Why does a wave go up and down? What forces cause waves to go up and down? In order for a particle to be a specific frequency would depend on what?
 
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mapa said:
Why does a wave go up and down? What forces cause waves to go up and down?
Forces push it up and down. Consider a spring-mass system. You start it by pushing it down and then releasing it. Then the spring provides the force to keep it oscillating.
In order for a particle to be a specific frequency would depend on what?
A particle isn't a wave, so the question makes no sense. What determines the frequency of a wave is the strength of the spring (the restoring force) and the magnitude of the mass (resistance to the restoring force).
 
But what about a photon moving up & down? Is there a force pushing it up/down? Wouldn't the force run out after billions of light years travel? (sounds silly due to my lack of knowledge)

Do you mean the particle is not a wave because its got the wave/particles duality & sometimes acts more like particle than a wave & vice verse?

thanks
 
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In a vacuum --such as space-- light travels in waves, but what is it bouncing off of?

Do the waves itself, naturally bounce off each other?
 
mapa, I sent you a PM - and Dav333, I know there is now another thread on the subject, so this may be redundant, but:

Light is not a mechanical wave. It is a completely different phenomena, so all this analogy to mechanical waves is just that: analogy and nothing more. Light doesn't behave exactly like a mechanical wave because it isn't one.
 
because their speed has to be C so they have to change frequency and wave length
 
Dav333 said:
But what about a photon moving up & down? Is there a force pushing it up/down? Wouldn't the force run out after billions of light years travel? (sounds silly due to my lack of knowledge)

Do you mean the particle is not a wave because its got the wave/particles duality & sometimes acts more like particle than a wave & vice verse?

thanks

Not a silly thing to ask i don't think. when you think of a photon, don't think of a particle moving along on a sinusoidal or corkscrew path. either picture a point particle moving along a straight path, or a transverse wave propagating in a given direction, depending on what is most convenient to describe/understand how it behaves.
it isn't a particle that oscillates, the oscillations are that of alternately fluctuating electric and magnetic fields. there isn't really a "force" making the fields rise and fall in strength - not directly anyway. as i understand it, an electromagnetic (ie. light) wave can be generated by an oscillating charge - that WOULD require the electromagnetic force to act on the charge.
 
The wave equation permits solutions of ANY frequency, and in most cases this equation is derived from theoretically analysing whatever is moving (piece of string, pendulum, even light using Maxwell's equations).

Because the wave equation is homogeneous and linear, if you can find a set of solutions then any linear combination of those solutions is also a solution. The most general solution is the sum of all waves of different frequency. Everything you hear can be broken down into waves of different frequencies at different amplitudes. Same with everything you see, and in a sense everything you feel,taste, and smell since it's all traveling through your nervous system to reach your brain.
 

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