Why Do We Calculate ΔU as U2 - U1 and ΔKE as KE2 - KE1 in Physics?

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The discussion centers around the calculation of changes in gravitational potential energy (ΔU) and kinetic energy (ΔKE) in physics, specifically questioning why ΔU is expressed as U2 - U1 while ΔKE is expressed as KE2 - KE1. Participants seek clarification on the intuition behind these conventions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the difference in expressions for ΔU and ΔKE, seeking intuitive understanding.
  • Another participant suggests that the context of mechanical energy conservation implies ΔU = -ΔKE.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for clarity on why the expressions are structured as U1 - U2 and not the reverse.
  • One participant proposes that understanding the work done by gravity can clarify the relationship between potential and kinetic energy changes.
  • A later reply asserts that ΔU should be defined as U2 - U1, reinforcing the idea that "Δ" indicates final minus initial, and provides an example involving an object falling under gravity.
  • Multiple participants express confusion and request specific examples to illustrate the concepts more clearly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the intuitive understanding of the expressions for ΔU and ΔKE, with some asserting definitions while others seek further clarification and examples.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing uncertainty regarding the intuitive reasoning behind the definitions of ΔU and ΔKE, as well as the implications of these definitions in different scenarios, such as objects moving under the influence of gravity.

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Why is it the difference in gravitational potential energy is given by U grav 1 - U grav 2 whereas for the same system, delta KE is given by k2 - k1?

Kindly Clarify! Thanks a LOT!
 
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You're probably thinking of a situation where the total mechanical energy is conserved, thus:
ΔE = ΔKE + ΔU = 0

Therefore: ΔU = - ΔKE
 
I know that.. I meant about the intuition ... WHy is it U 1 - U2 and not the opposite
 
Are you talking about this in the context of mechanics relating to work?
 
ehabmozart said:
I know that.. I meant about the intuition ... WHy is it U 1 - U2 and not the opposite
I'm not sure I understand the issue. One goes up while the other goes down.

Just a note about what Δ means: When going from 1 to 2, ΔU = U2-U1 and ΔKE = KE2 - KE1
 
I still don't get the point!
 
ehabmozart said:
I still don't get the point!
How about giving a specific example that illustrates your question.
 
I think the simplest case is to look at work due to gravity:
When, let's say you throw in a rock upwards, we know conceptually that the work done is negative since the weight is directed downwards and the displacement is upwards, also, the gravitational potential energy is given by U = mgh (m = mass, g = acceleration due to gravity, h=height (relative to some reference)). The equation W=U1-U2 is consistent with this, when we throw a rock upwards, U2>U1 and hence W<0 (negative), in the other case when we drop a rock, U2<U1 and hence W>0 (positive). Thus the equation is consistent with our idea of work.

I think, this would help if you want a more intuitive approach on this.
 
ehabmozart said:
Why is it the difference in gravitational potential energy is given by U grav 1 - U grav 2

This is incorrect. By definition, ΔU = U2 - U1. "Δ" means "final minus initial".

For an object falling freely under the influence of gravity, U2 < U1 because h2 < h1, therefore ΔU is negative. On the other hand, KE2 > KE1 because v increases as the object falls, therefore ΔKE is positive.
 

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