Why drop the vibrational ground state energy

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of vibrational ground state energy in the context of calculating the internal energy of a diatomic molecule. Participants explore the implications of ignoring the ground state vibrational energy when deriving total internal energy, referencing concepts from statistical physics and harmonic approximation.

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  • One participant questions why the ground state vibrational energy term, ##\frac{1}{2} \hbar \omega##, is ignored in the total internal energy calculation, suggesting a lack of clarity in the reference material.
  • Another participant notes that differences in energy are what matter, implying that absolute values are less significant in this context.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes that changing the absolute energy does not affect physical observations, reinforcing the idea that only energy differences are relevant.
  • One participant draws a parallel to gravitational potential energy, suggesting that the zero point of energy can be set arbitrarily, similar to how gravitational potential is defined at infinity.
  • Another participant agrees with the notion that the constant can be retained but asserts that it does not impact the calculations.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial participant has gained understanding from the discussion, suggesting some resolution of confusion.

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Participants generally agree on the idea that absolute energy values are not essential for the calculations being discussed, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific treatment of the ground state vibrational energy and its implications.

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There is an underlying assumption that the treatment of energy differences is standard in the context of molecular physics, but the specific reasoning for dropping the ground state vibrational energy remains a point of contention.

WeiShan Ng
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This is from *Statistical Physics An Introductory Course* by *Daniel J.Amit*
The text is calculating the energy of internal motions of a diatomic molecule.

The internal energies of a diatomic molecule, i.e. the vibrational energy and the rotational energy is given by
$$\begin{aligned}E_I(n,J) &= E_v + E_r \\ &= \epsilon _v n+\epsilon_r J(J+1), \qquad n,J=0,1,2,\dots ,\end{aligned}$$
where $\epsilon_v$ is the spacing between the vibrational levels:
$$\epsilon_v = \hbar \omega= \hbar \sqrt{\frac{K}{\mu}}$$
and $\epsilon_r$ is the difference between the rotational levels:
$$\epsilon_r=\frac{\hbar^2}{2I}$$

But the vibrational energy of the molecule is
$$E_v = (n+1/2)\hbar \omega$$
**Why do we ignore the ##\frac{1}{2} \hbar \omega## in the ##E_v## (ground state vibrational energy) when we calculate the total internal energy of the molecule?** The text refers back to another equation to explain why we dropped the ground state vibrational energy, but I still don't quite understand the reason behind it.
The text referred:
The ground state energy of the electronic system ##\epsilon_0## depends on the distance ##\rho## between the nuclei, and we can denote this as a potential energy ##U(\rho)##.
If ##\epsilon_0## has a sharp minimum at a distance ##\rho_0##, it is possible to approximate ##U(\rho)## by the harmonic approximation. Hence the energy of the molecule will then given by
$$E_{mol}=\frac{\boldsymbol{P}^2}{2M}+\frac{\boldsymbol{\pi}^2}{2 \mu}+\frac{1}{2}K(\rho-\rho_0)^2$$
where
##\bf{P}## is the momentum associated with center of mass
##\boldsymbol{\pi}=\boldsymbol{\pi}_{12}=\boldsymbol{\pi}_1 - \boldsymbol{\pi}_2## in which ##\boldsymbol{\pi}_\alpha## is the relative momentum of the atom ##\alpha##
##U''(\rho_0)=K## is the harmonic approximation of ##U##

In this case I get why they drop the ##\epsilon_0##, that's because ##\epsilon_0## is already included in the potential energy term. However for the first case I don't see where the ##\epsilon_0## goes.
 
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It doesn't matter if you only look at differences between energies. If you take relativity into account you have much more energy via the mass of the particles - but you don't have to care about that.
 
I still don't get it. Why are we calculating the differences between energies instead of the absolute internal energies?
 
The absolute value is meaningless. Changing it doesn't change anything. If you add a fixed amount of energy in a consistent way, no physical observation changes.
 
So you saying what we calculated is not the actual internal energy of the molecule, but rather it is the energy relative to the ##\epsilon_0##? Just like how we define the gravitational potential energy to be zero at infinite distance? We set the zero point ourselves?
 
That’s how I understood what you quoted.
You can keep the constant, it just doesn’t matter.
 
I think I get it now. Thank you for your help!
 
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