Why do we still see cosmic background radiation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature and persistence of cosmic background radiation (CMBR) as a remnant of the Big Bang. Participants explore the origins of this radiation, its journey through the universe, and the implications of its detection today.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that the CMBR comes from the surface of last scattering, where the universe became transparent.
  • Others mention that this event, known as recombination, allowed light to travel freely, with the universe's vastness causing light from different regions to reach Earth at different times.
  • It is noted that the CMBR is present throughout the observable universe, with some photons having interacted with matter, affecting their temperature.
  • One participant argues that the expansion of space is causing the CMBR to redshift and its measured temperature to decrease over time.
  • Another point raised is that the Big Bang occurred everywhere in the universe, meaning that as CMB radiation from one region passes by, new radiation from more distant regions continues to arrive.
  • A claim is made that the CMB photons we observe originated from a distance of 42 million light years and took 13.7 billion years to reach us, emphasizing that the age of the observer relative to the universe's age is crucial.
  • It is suggested that while CMB photons will eventually redshift beyond detectability, they will not do so because they have "outrun" the observer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various perspectives on the nature of CMBR and its implications, with no clear consensus reached on all points. Some points are clarified, but disagreements about the implications and interpretations of the CMBR persist.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of terms like "last scattering" and "recombination," which may not be universally understood. The discussion also touches on the effects of cosmic expansion and redshift, which are complex and may involve additional assumptions.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying cosmology, astrophysics, or anyone curious about the origins and implications of cosmic background radiation.

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In a discussion with a friend I am unable to explain to him why at this moment we still can detect cosmic background radiation. According to his reasoning the radiation that originated from the big bang should have passed us long ago. Where in fact does this radiation that we now detect come from? And where does it go to?
 
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SanderStols said:
Where in fact does this radiation that we now detect come from?
It comes from the surface of last scattering. This is the surface when the universe cooled down to the point where it became transparent.

http://wmap.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/990053/index.html
 
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It happens at a moment called recombination, where the whole universe suddenly became clear. As universe is broad (or may be infinite), lights from a moment need different time to reach Earth as their sources are at different places.
 
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This radiation was and is present in the entire observable universe, except for the smallish amount which has interacted with matter etc at a different temperature.
The expansion of space is diluting and red shifting this radiation, thus reducing its measured temperature.
The distance from which we receive CMBR photons is increasing and the temperature is still (very slowly) decreasing..
 
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The Big Bang did not happen at a point in space. It happened everywhere in the Universe. As CMB radiation from one region of the universe passes by us, new CMB radiation from a new, more distant region arrives.
 
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The CMB photons we observe originated at a distance of 42 million light years from us and required 13.7 billion years to reach us due to expansion. Our distance from the source of CMB photons is completely irrelevant. We will never observe photons that originated earlier than CMB photons, the only thing that matters is the age of the observer relative to the age of the universe. As the universe ages we will observe photons that are equally more ancient. The CMB photons will eventually redshift beyond detectability, but, never because they have outrun us. It is impossible to outrun the age of the universe.
 
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Thank you all for your answers. I think I understand it better now and I will have my friend read your responses. Maybe it will be clearer to him as well.
 
Singlau said:
It happens at a moment called recombination, where the whole universe suddenly became clear.

Here "suddenly" means approximately 100 thousand years.
 
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Understood, thanks.
 

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