Why Does A Equal the Reciprocal of the Modulus in This Complex ODE Solution?

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The discussion revolves around the solution of a complex ordinary differential equation (ODE) and the relationship between the amplitude A and the modulus of a complex number in polar form. Participants explore the mathematical reasoning behind why A is presented as the reciprocal of the modulus rather than just the modulus itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between A and the modulus of a complex number, questioning why A is the reciprocal of the modulus.
  • Another participant asserts that A is equal to the absolute value of the modulus, providing a formula for A.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the definition of the modulus, stating it should be calculated as the square root of the sum of the squares of the real and imaginary components.
  • One participant attempts to derive the real and imaginary parts of the complex expression by multiplying by the complex conjugate, leading to a calculation of the modulus.
  • Another participant claims that the earlier work proves A is equal to the modulus itself, reiterating the formula for A.
  • A later reply indicates a shift in understanding, suggesting that the initial confusion may have been resolved.

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There is no clear consensus on whether A is the reciprocal of the modulus or equal to the modulus itself, as participants express differing views and confusion persists throughout the discussion.

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Participants reference specific mathematical manipulations and properties of complex numbers, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of A and its relationship to the modulus.

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I'm trying to solve the real part of the ODE

[itex]\tilde{y}' + k\tilde{y} = ke^{i \omega t}[/itex]

in polar form, and I'm running into a problem. I understand up until here:

[itex]\frac {1} {1 + i(\frac {\omega} {k})} = Ae^{-i \phi}[/itex]

which I can see is equal to

[itex]A(cos(- \phi) + isin(- \phi))[/itex]

and that is where I get stuck. Apparently, with the use of right triangle trig in the complex domain, this is true:

[itex]A = \frac {1} {\sqrt{1 + (\frac {\omega} {k})^2}}[/itex]

and I cannot for the life of me understand why A is equal to the reciprocal of the absolute value of the modulus, rather than just the absolute value of the modulus itself.

Please help!
 
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As you said, A is equal to the absolute value of the modulus, which is [itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+ ( \frac{ \omega }{h})^2}}[/itex] as written.
 
Hmm, I guess I just don't understand the complex domain, then. Shouldn't the modulus be equal to

[itex]\sqrt{Im^2 + Re^2}[/itex]

for which [tex]Im[/tex] is the imaginary component and [tex]Re[/tex] is the real component of the complex number? I know that

[tex]\arg{\alpha} = -\arg{\frac {1} {|\alpha|}}[/tex]

but, if that leads to the answer here, I don't see the connection, as the argument function deals with angles, and the modulus is the magnitude, not the angle.
 
ebob said:
Hmm, I guess I just don't understand the complex domain, then. Shouldn't the modulus be equal to

[itex]\sqrt{Im^2 + Re^2}[/itex]

for which [tex]Im[/tex] is the imaginary component and [tex]Re[/tex] is the real component of the complex number?
Yes, that's right.

So, what are the real and imaginary parts of [itex]\frac {1} {1 + i(\frac {\omega} {k})}[/itex] ?
 
Oh! We multiply by the complex conjugate. Let me see if I can work this out now...

[itex]\begin{align*} <br /> z = \frac {1} {1 + i( \frac {\omega} {k})} &= \frac {1 - i(\frac {\omega} {k})} {1 + (\frac {\omega} {k})^2}\\<br /> <br /> &= \frac {1} {1+(\frac {\omega} {k})^2} - \frac {i(\frac {\omega} {k})} {1 + (\frac {\omega} {k})^2} <br /> <br /> \end{align*}[/itex]

Rewriting and taking the real part of that...

[itex]\begin{align*}<br /> <br /> z \bar{z} = |z|^2 &= \frac {1} {1 + (\frac {\omega} {k})^2} \\<br /> <br /> \Rightarrow |z| &= \frac {1} {\sqrt{1 + (\frac {\omega} {k})^2}}<br /> <br /> \end{align*}[/itex]

Hmm. I feel like I just went around in a circle. I mean, this work makes sense, but I still don't understand why the amplitude A is equal to the reciprocal of the modulus, rather than just the modulus itself.
 
It is equal to the modulus itself, which as I said before is [itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+ ( \frac{ \omega }{h})^2}}[/itex]. And you have just proved it.
 
Alright, I think I understand now. Thanks!
 

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