Why does flipping the order of numbers in a basic percent problem work?

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The discussion centers on understanding why flipping the order of numbers in a basic percent problem yields the same result, specifically exploring the equivalence of calculating 88% of 50 and 50% of 88. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and mathematical properties related to percentages and multiplication.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • One participant notes that flipping the order of numbers in a percent calculation works but seeks a conceptual explanation for this phenomenon.
  • Another participant suggests that the equivalence is akin to the commutative property of multiplication, indicating that percentages are ratios that can be treated like real numbers.
  • A participant provides a numerical breakdown showing that 0.88 multiplied by 50 can be rearranged using fractions, illustrating the equivalence of the two expressions.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the previous explanation by correcting a numerical representation, reinforcing the idea that the expressions are equivalent.
  • Several participants express gratitude for the clarifications and acknowledge the connection to the commutative property, while also noting that the reasoning involves more than just this property.
  • One participant emphasizes that the rearrangement of fractions in the multiplication process allows for flexibility in how the numbers are grouped, leading to the same result.

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Participants generally agree that the two expressions are equivalent and that the reasoning involves properties of multiplication and fractions. However, there is no consensus on a singular explanation, as multiple perspectives on the conceptual understanding are presented.

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Some participants reference mathematical properties without fully resolving the underlying assumptions about how percentages relate to fractions and multiplication. The discussion does not clarify all mathematical steps involved in the reasoning.

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If I am looking for 88% 50, I can put the percent sign on the other number and flip the order of the numbers:

88% of 50 = 50% of 88 = 44.

I can solve this numerically but I don't understand conceptually why this works. Why does this work?
 
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Conceptually it's the same thing as (2 x 3) = (3 x 2)
Percentages are ratios, but are equivalent to a real number and can be treated in exactly the same way.
 
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This may help:

0.88*50 = (10/10) * 0.88*50 = (10*0.88) * (50/10) = 88 * 0.50
 
billy_joule said:
This may help:

0.88*50 = (10/10) * 0.88*50 = (10*0.88) * (50/10) = 88 * 0.50
Let me fix that for you ...
0.88*50 = (100/100) * 0.88*50 = (100*0.88) * (50/100) = 88 * 0.50
 
Thank you everyone. Mark44, thanks for clearing that up! This does make sense. It's basically the Commutative Property of Multiplication.
 
starrynight108 said:
Thank you everyone. Mark44, thanks for clearing that up! This does make sense. It's basically the Commutative Property of Multiplication.
It's a bit more than that. Your question was why 88% of 50 is the same as 50% of 88. Writing the percent figures as decimal fractions, we have
##.88 * 50 = \frac{88}{100} \cdot 50 = 88 \cdot \frac{50}{100} = \frac{50}{100} \cdot 88##
The latter expression is the same as 50% of 88.

In the two middle expressions in my equation, I am using the idea that ##\frac a b \cdot c## is equal to ##a \cdot \frac c b##. IOW, it doesn't matter which fraction has the denominator. ##\frac a b \cdot c = a \cdot \frac 1 b \cdot c## and I can group the 1/b factor with either the first number or the last.
 
Mark44 said:
Let me fix that for you ...
Oops, thanks!
 
So, they are equivalent expressions like was mentioned before. The form a/b * c = a * c/b clears it up. Thank you again.
 

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