Why does light not have infinite mass?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light, specifically addressing why light does not possess infinite mass or require infinite energy, despite claims that objects approaching the speed of light would experience infinite mass. Participants explore the properties of photons, the implications of relativistic equations, and the concept of mass in relation to light speed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference 'A Brief History Of Time' to argue that if objects near light speed gain infinite mass, light itself should also have infinite mass and energy, questioning this apparent contradiction.
  • Others assert that light has zero rest mass and therefore the concept of infinite mass does not apply to it, emphasizing that light possesses momentum.
  • One participant mentions the relativistic equation and states that light's energy is described by E = pc, reinforcing the idea that photons do not have mass.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of motion, suggesting that light speed could be viewed as a default state, with massive objects experiencing a form of drag that prevents them from reaching light speed.
  • Some participants express confusion about the implications of infinite mass and energy, seeking clarification on these concepts.
  • It is noted that no finite amount of energy can accelerate a particle to the speed of light, implying that achieving light speed is physically impossible for massive particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that light does not have mass and that infinite mass or energy is not a valid concept. However, there are competing views regarding the implications of these properties and the nature of motion at light speed, leaving some aspects of the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to relativistic equations and the Higgs field, which may introduce assumptions about the nature of mass and energy that are not fully explored. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of these concepts.

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I have read in the book 'A Brief History Of Time' that other bodies can't reach the speed of light because as its speed gets near the speed of light, it gets infinite mass and requires infinite energy to reach the speed of light. So light itself should be having infinite mass and would be requiring infinite amount of energy. But it does not have these properties. Why?
 
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Light has zero rest mass so that notion doesn't apply. Light does have momentum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light

They estimate that you would need 30 billion laser pointers hitting a penny to have enough force to move it.

Due to the magnitude of c, the effect of light pressure is negligible for everyday objects. For example, a one-milliwattlaser pointer exerts a force of about 3.3 picoNewtons on the object being illuminated; thus, one could lift a U.S. penny with laser pointers, but doing so would require about 30 billion 1-mW laser pointers.[19]
 
Take a look at the physical properties of a photon. In particular, the full version of the relativistic equation
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As jedishrfu stated, light doesn't have mass. It's energy is just E = pc.
 
So photons doesn't have mass right?
 
Allen_Wolf said:
I have read in the book 'A Brief History Of Time' that other bodies can't reach the speed of light because as its speed gets near the speed of light, it gets infinite mass and requires infinite energy to reach the speed of light. So light itself should be having infinite mass and would be requiring infinite amount of energy. But it does not have these properties. Why?
There's no such thing as infinite mass or infinite energy.
 
PeroK said:
There's no such thing as infinite mass or infinite energy.
So what does it actually mean or state, sir?
 
Instead of thinking about motionlessness being the default state and energy being required to move, think of it more like this: light speed is the default state, and things with mass experience drag. No matter how hard you push against something, you can never remove the effects of the drag, just keep adding more power until that drag is negligible, so you can never move as easily as something that does not experience that drag.

This is not unlike reality, in fact, there was a brief point in time where everything: photons, gravity, quarks, electrons, all moved at the speed of light. The Higgs field hadn't settled yet, so nothing had mass. Since the Higgs field turned on however, everything with mass have been dragging along through it.
 
Allen_Wolf said:
So what does it actually mean or state, sir?
You could say that no finite amount of energy would accelerate a particle to the speed of light. Which is equivalent to saying it is physically impossible.
 
Borg said:
Take a look at the physical properties of a photon. In particular, the full version of the relativistic equation
afdc529d32c23f700e4a42bc81af89c3.png

As jedishrfu stated, light doesn't have mass. It's energy is just E = pc.
Yup.

And furthermore, the speed of anything is just:

v = {pc^2 \over E}

Since E = pc for photons, v = c. For anything with mass, though the energy is always greater than pc, so it always has a speed less than that of light.
 

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