Why does \mathcal{P}(X \cup Y) not always equal \mathcal{P}X \cup \mathcal{P}Y?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the power set of the union of two sets, denoted as \(\mathcal{P}(X \cup Y)\), and the union of their respective power sets, \(\mathcal{P}X \cup \mathcal{P}Y\). Participants explore the conditions under which these two expressions are equal or not, examining both theoretical implications and specific examples.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that \(\mathcal{P}(X \cup Y)\) is not a subset of \(\mathcal{P}X \cup \mathcal{P}Y\) for finite sets, indicating that the former can have more elements than the latter.
  • One participant identifies a flaw in their reasoning regarding the implications of subsets and universal quantifiers, specifically noting that the universal quantifier does not distribute over logical OR.
  • Another participant points out that if either set \(X\) or \(Y\) is empty, then the two expressions are equal, suggesting that non-emptiness is a crucial condition.
  • A participant illustrates that a subset \(C\) of \(A \cup B\) containing elements from both \(A\) and \(B\) is in the power set of the union but not in the union of the power sets.
  • Concrete examples are provided to demonstrate that sets like \(\{x, y\}\) can belong to \(\mathcal{P}(X \cup Y)\) but not to \(\mathcal{P}X \cup \mathcal{P}Y\), particularly when \(X\) and \(Y\) are disjoint.
  • Another example is given where two non-empty disjoint sets \(E\) and \(F\) illustrate that the sizes of the power sets differ, reinforcing the argument against equality.
  • One participant concludes that \(\mathcal{P}(X \cup Y) = \mathcal{P}X \cup \mathcal{P}Y\) holds if and only if one set is a subset of the other, including the case where one set is empty.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the conditions under which the power sets are equal, with some agreeing on the necessity of non-empty sets and subset relationships, while others provide counterexamples that challenge the initial assumptions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general case without specific conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specifying whether sets are empty or non-empty, as this significantly impacts the validity of their arguments. The discussion also highlights the need for careful treatment of logical implications and quantifiers in set theory.

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It seems intuitive that the power set of a union of sets P(XunionY) is not a subset of the union of the two respective power sets P(X)unionP(Y). For finite sets the former will have more elements than the latter.

However, I can't figure out what is wrong with the following line of reasoning:

For a set S
( S in P(XunionY) ) implies ( S is a subset of XunionY ) implies (1)
for some x
( x in S implies x in XunionY ) implies (2)
( x not in S OR x in X OR x in Y ) implies (3)
( ( x in S implies x in X ) OR (x in S implies x in Y) ) implies (4)
( ( S is a subset of X ) or ( S is a subset of Y ) ) (5)



I could continue, but I'm nearly certain I have made a mistake somewhere already. I can't figure out where. I suspect that (3) is incorrect, but I don't see why I can't make the substitution I made namely:

(A implies B) iff (notA OR B)

Also, I know that (5) is incorrect. Perhaps (5) doesn't follow from (4).
 
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Indeed (5) does not follow from (4), since for that, we need one or the other to be true for ALL x not for some x (for any particular x, one or the other is true, but for different x's it might not be the same one that is true).
 
You must use the fact that X and Y are both nonempty somewhere, since if one of them is empty then the power set of the union and the union of power sets are equal.

To do that, do something with one element from each of the sets.
 
If the set C, a subset of AuB has some elements which are in A and some elements which are in B then C is in the power set of the union but not in the union of the power sets.

The union of the power sets contains sets which are either subsets of A or are subsets of B but not necessarily subsets of the union.
 
Thank you very much. I should have included the universal quantifier from the beginning. My negligence of this fact, as well as not making clear that X and Y were nowhere empty, were my fallacies. The universal quantifier won't "distribute" over the OR. I appreciate everyone's response.
 
As a concrete example, if x \in X and y \in Y, then \{x, y\} \in \mathcal{P}(X \cup Y) but \{x, y\} \notin \mathcal{P}X \cup \mathcal{P}Y.
 
adriank said:
As a concrete example, if x \in X and y \in Y, then \{x, y\} \in \mathcal{P}(X \cup Y) but \{x, y\} \notin \mathcal{P}X \cup \mathcal{P}Y.
If x \in X but x \notin Y and y\in Y but y\notin X.

More simply, for a counter-example to "the power set of X union Y is a subset of the Power set of X union the power set of Y", take X= {x}, Y= {y}. Then X\cup Y= {x, y} so its power set is \phi, \left{x}\right}, \left{y\right}, \left{x,y\right} while the power set of X is \phi, \left{x\right} and the power set of Y is \phi, \left{y\right} so "the union of the power set of X and the power set of y" is \phi, \left{x\right}, \left{y\right}.
 
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Also, consider two non-empty disjoint sets E and F with N and M elements respectively. The union of their power sets will have 2^N + 2^M elements while the power set of the union will have 2^(M+N)>2^N+2^M for N,M large enough. Will this also work as a counter example?
 
Halls, good point; each of X and Y must not be a subset of the other.

jojo, that does work as well.I guess what's really happening is that \mathcal{P}(X \cup Y) = \mathcal{P}X \cup \mathcal{P}Y if and only if X \subseteq Y or Y \subseteq X. (This includes the case where one of the sets is empty.) This should be easy to prove.
 
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