Why does Rh incompatibility need previous sensibilization but ABO doesn't?

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The discussion revolves around the differences in immunological responses between Rh and ABO blood group incompatibilities during pregnancy. Participants explore why Rh-negative mothers require previous sensitization to develop anti-Rh antibodies, while O+ or O- mothers are expected to have anti-A/anti-B antibodies. The conversation also touches on the relative dangers of Rh incompatibility compared to ABO incompatibility.

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  • Some participants propose that Rh-negative mothers need prior sensitization to develop anti-Rh antibodies due to the Rh factor being a foreign protein.
  • Others argue that O+ or O- mothers are not expected to have anti-A or anti-B antibodies unless their child has A or B antigens, suggesting that the presence of these antigens could lead to antibody development.
  • A participant notes that the firstborn A+ child of an O- mother can have ABO incompatibility but is not expected to have Rh incompatibility due to lack of prior sensitization.
  • One participant shares an anecdote about a severe Rh reaction leading to death, outlining the process of antibody production and the consequences of subsequent exposures.
  • Another participant challenges the claim about bilirubin toxicity, stating that it is neurotoxic rather than hepatotoxic and emphasizes the potential for serious outcomes like blindness and brain damage in the absence of proper neonatal care.

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Participants express differing views on the expected presence of anti-A and anti-B antibodies in O+ or O- mothers, and there is no consensus on the severity and outcomes of Rh versus ABO incompatibility. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of immunological responses and their implications.

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Participants reference varying experiences and interpretations of medical literature, leading to differing understandings of the immunological mechanisms involved. There are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of sensitization and the implications of antibody presence.

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I was wondering why a Rh negative mom needs previous Rh sensibilization (either by previous transfusion or previous children Rh positive) to develop anti-Rh antibodies, but a O+ or O- mom is already expected to have anti-A/anti-B antibodies, even when she is having the first child?

Also, why is Rh incompatibility usually more dangerous than ABO?
 
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jaumzaum said:
I was wondering why a Rh negative mom needs previous Rh sensitization (either by previous transfusion or previous children Rh positive) to develop anti-Rh antibodies,
The Rh negative means the mother does not have the Rh factor, which is then a foreign protein to which the mother's body reacts. I am Rh+, my mom was Rh- (my dad is Rh+), and that started an ongoing issue for my siblings. I believe my brother had one transfusion, my sister two and my youngest brother 4 transfusions.

I don't believe it is correct for a mother O- or O+ to be expected to have anti-A or anti-B, but certainly if a baby is AO or BO, or AB, then the mother might develop anti-bodies. A and B proteins would be foreign to an OO mother, so her body might have an issue with AO or BO baby.

jaumzaum said:
Also, why is Rh incompatibility usually more dangerous than ABO?
Is that correct? Both can be serious.
 
Astronuc said:
I don't believe it is correct for a mother O- or O+ to be expected to have anti-A or anti-B, but certainly if a baby is AO or BO, or AB, then the mother might develop anti-bodies. A and B proteins would be foreign to an OO mother, so her body might have an issue with AO or BO baby.

The firstborn A+ of a mother O- can have ABO incompatibility, but it is not expected to have Rh incompatibility as she was not sensibilized before.

From Wikipedia: "In contrast to Rh disease, about half of the cases of ABO Hemolytic Disease occur in a firstborn baby and it does not become more severe after further pregnancies"

Astronuc said:
Is that correct? Both can be serious.
From what I read, yes.
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I'm not a medical expert, but I had an acquaintance that died several year ago from an Rh reaction. Not pretty to see.

As I recall from looking into the problem:
1) The first infusion of blood with the wrong Rh factor causes the body to start creating antibodies. This is generally not a big problem
2) After this first exposure, the body continues to generate antibodies, enough for a substantial concentration in the blood.
3) A second exposure causes an immediate and massive response to the 'foreign' intruder from all those circulating antibodies.
4) The 'foreign' intruder is quickly broken down.
5) The breakdown products are quite toxic, especially to the liver.
6) The end result is the liver is destroyed. Being essential, the loss of which is lethal.

I'm sure other more knowledgable people here can correct/fill-in details.
 
Tom.G said:
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5) The breakdown products are quite toxic, especially to the liver.
6) The end result is the liver is destroyed. Being essential, the loss of which is lethal.
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Up to there it's OK. But Bilirubin isn't hepatotoxic, it's neurotoxic. Death is a rather rare final effect of Rh-incompatibility reaction - blindness and brain damage, however are quite probable...
...unless there's good neonate care available (ICU and/or dialysis - the latter with knowledge about the neonate specifities of electrolyte balance...)
 
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