# Why Does Saving Jeopardize the Recovery?

1. Feb 2, 2009

### skeptic2

Currently there are news reports that the public's rate of saving has risen faster than its rate of spending thus jeopardizing the recovery. I'm not an economist and fail to understand to understand why saving would jeopardize the recovery.

If a bank's reserve requirement is 10% and I deposit $1000 in my bank, won't the bank then be able to lend$9000 and stimulate the economy much more than had I spent the \$1000?

2. Feb 2, 2009

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
It is called the paradox of thrift.

3. Feb 2, 2009

Thanks

4. Feb 2, 2009

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
Note also that right now banks are hoarding their money due to a lack of capitalization - the credit crisis. So putting money into savings is no guarantee that the bank will loan money as a result. This is the lesson learned from the first distribution of bailout money.

5. Feb 2, 2009

### mheslep

That's just passing the buck (hah, haha). Who's the bank to lend to if all their possible borrowers are, like you, saving and not spending/borrowing? Or, worse, the bank takes your deposit, believes that for the moment all the world's full of deadbeats, and buys US Govt. bonds instead of loaning it to consumers.

Of course savings is a good thing too; the US savings rate has been far too low. The problem is in the timing: correcting that imbalance in a recession tends to prolong the recession. Edit: originally per Keynes as IvanS pointed out.

6. Feb 2, 2009

### skeptic2

I've also heard that it is difficult to get car loans or business loans, so there must be people out there who are trying to get loans but can't.

7. Feb 2, 2009

### skeptic2

Also from the reference to the "Paradox of Thrift"

Second, and perhaps more important, "savings" represent loanable funds; an increase in the supply of loanable funds tends to lower interest rates and stimulate borrowing, and so a decline in consumable goods with a short time horizon is offset by an increase in production in sectors with longer time horizons. The demand for personal electronics, as an example, may decline, but the demand for such things as real estate may be stimulated by favorable borrowing conditions.

8. Feb 2, 2009

### Proton Soup

people should be saving money. truth is, they should have been saving all along, then we might not be having this crisis. the call to SPEND! SPEND! SPEND! is only great if you're one of the cockroaches feeding on the public. but now that people have put two and three mortgages on their homes to pay off credit cards that they used to buy worthless crap that has mostly ended up in some landfill by now... they're totally SPENT.

people need to save. leave them alone.

9. Feb 3, 2009

### Astronuc

Staff Emeritus

Americans' saving more, spending less
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090201/ap_on_bi_ge/savings_frugal_society [Broken]
If one maximizes the credit line and persistently makes minimum payments, the interest rate is usually raised to maximum, which means one pays a large amount of interest. Case's situation may be all too typical these days.

I have to wonder how many people pay more in interest than taxes.

If the US economy were really prosperous, would taxes or the tax rate be such a big deal?

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10. Feb 3, 2009

### BobG

Timing is everything.

When the economy is going good and everyone's making lots of money, you should be saving some of that money for the bad times.

Then, when the economy is going bad and no one's making much money, you still have some money saved that you can spend.

Unfortunately, the average person does just the opposite.

Of course, that's based on the idea of personal responsibility. You take care of yourself by how you save, how you borrow, how you buy insurance, etc.

11. Feb 3, 2009

### mheslep

12. Feb 3, 2009

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
I don't think there is any disagreement that both are happening. Banks are even afraid to loan to each other; hence the coming "Bad Bank", which is intended to relieve banks of bad paper and reestablish the flow of credit between institutions as well as to consumers.

13. Feb 3, 2009

### Proton Soup

do we have to call it Bad Bank? why not something more happy, like Forfeitures Clearinghouse?

14. Feb 4, 2009

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
LOL, I like it!