Why Does the Moon's Position in the Sky Change Throughout the Month?

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The discussion revolves around the changing position of the Moon in the sky throughout the month, exploring the reasons behind its apparent movement from low to high and back again. Participants touch on concepts related to the Moon's orbit, its inclination, and comparisons to the Sun's path, while seeking clarity on the observed phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the timeframe of the Moon's movement, suggesting it may be similar to the Sun's annual path.
  • Another participant explains that the Moon's orbit is tilted relative to the Earth's axis, which contributes to its varying height in the sky and affects the visibility of solar eclipses.
  • A participant elaborates on the Moon's orbit, noting its inclination and the range of its position from +23.4 degrees to -23.4 degrees throughout the sidereal month.
  • Some participants express that the original question is too vague, seeking clarification on what is meant by the Moon moving 'from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back.'
  • One participant compares the Moon's path to the Sun's, explaining that the Earth's axial tilt causes both celestial bodies to have varying heights in the sky, with the Moon's changes being more noticeable due to its shorter cycle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the original question's clarity, with some feeling it lacks specificity while others attempt to address it based on their interpretations. Multiple viewpoints regarding the Moon's movement and its comparison to the Sun's path remain present.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the observer's perspective and the specific observations being referenced. The discussion does not clarify the exact nature of the Moon's movement that the original poster is inquiring about.

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Why does the moon's orbit move from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back? I have tried accessing information on precession, etc. with no understandable answer. Wikipedia was no help.

It's a minor issue, but one that has left me scratching for a long time.
 
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Jim Ross said:
Why does the moon's orbit move from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back?
What? Explain. Over what period do you think this happens? Monthly?
 
Do you something similar to what the sun does through the year?
 
The moon's orbit plane is not aligned with the Earth's tilted, and wobbling axis. This is also why solar eclipes can't be observed in the same location on Earth every month.
 
Jim Ross said:
Why does the moon's orbit move from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back? I have tried accessing information on precession, etc. with no understandable answer. Wikipedia was no help.

Precession is not something you can notice just looking at the sky (unless you live for thousands of years). What I think you are talking about is just the variation in height of the moon's daily path across the sky?

The sun does the same thing --- because the Earth's axis is tilted about 23.5 degrees from vertical, the noon sun is on the celestial equator (a baseline in the sky that runs from due east on your horizon, to a height of (90 - your latitude) at due south, to due west on your horizon) on the spring and fall equinoxes; it is 23.5 degrees north of that (higher in the sky) the first day of summer, and 23.5 degrees south of that (lower in the sky) the first day of winter. (All of that assumes you are in the northern hemisphere.) The sun's path in the sky is called the ecliptic.

The moon's orbit is close to the plane of the ecliptic, so it follows approximately the same path in the sky. But because it goes through the cycle in a month instead of a year, the difference from day to day is much more noticeable.

Also, its orbit is close, but not exactly on the ecliptic. It's tilted about 5 degrees, so its extremes of high and low in the sky are greater than those of the sun (it can be as much as 28.5 degrees north or south of the celestial equator), again making it more noticeable.

Hope this helps.
 
The OP's question is far too vague for a meaningful answer. We need to know what he means when he observes it moving 'from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back'.
 
DaveC426913 said:
The OP's question is far too vague for a meaningful answer. We need to know what he means when he observes it moving 'from low in the sky to higher in the sky, then back'.

What else could he mean, other than the question I attempted to answer? He is clearly talking about something noticeable to a very casual observer, and he clearly is too intelligent to be talking about simple rising and setting, so what else is there?
 
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--The moon orbits the earth. It takes ~27.3 days (sidereal month)
--This orbit has an inclination, resulting in the moon going between +23.4 degrees and -23.4 degrees throughout the sidereal month.

Check these images out:
http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=earth+moon+sun&um=1&hl=en&biw=1440&bih=733&tbm=isch&tbnid=GiBzvlyq3rXqgM:&imgrefurl=http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/07/the_best_eclipse_of_the_centur.php&docid=RrlAv9t7iFlUJM&w=694&h=473&ei=qoV7TqTZLYeu8gOEqaQR&zoom=1
Picture 1

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=earth+orbit+tilt&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&tbm=isch&tbnid=dYSh6j074cQJkM:&imgrefurl=http://www.earthgauge.net/kids-archives/december2010_archives&docid=IMIvevmhNpXBjM&w=529&h=327&ei=jIZ7TrzWBc_dsgaJhPDdDw&zoom=1&biw=1440&bih=733&iact=rc&dur=141&page=1&tbnh=100&tbnw=161&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0&tx=40&ty=32
Picture 2

What you have to understand is that the inclinations (angles WRT to the ecliptic) of these orbits do not change in their orientation. The "celestial direction" of the moon's perigee is always the same. Just as the Earth's axial tilt always points the NP to the same general celestial direction. So as these begin to differ, the moon takes different positions in the sky. Depending on where it is in it's orbit and where the Earth is in ITS orbit. Obviously also where you are on the Earth.
 
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