Why Doesn't Earth's Strong Gravity Crush Everything on Its Surface?

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The discussion centers on the nature of gravity, specifically why Earth's strong gravitational force does not crush everything on its surface. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational force, mass, distance, and the dynamics of celestial bodies, including the Moon's orbit.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that gravitational force is proportional to the mass of the objects involved, suggesting that the force on the Moon is significantly greater than that on a person due to the difference in mass.
  • Others explain that gravitational force also depends on the distance between the two masses, indicating that the force weakens with increased distance.
  • A participant mentions that the Moon's acceleration at its orbital distance is much weaker than the acceleration experienced at Earth's surface, which influences orbital dynamics.
  • Some participants discuss the Moon's motion, stating that it is not stationary and that its sideways movement allows it to remain in orbit rather than being pulled into Earth.
  • There are claims that gravity is relatively weak, with one participant asserting that a human can overcome the gravity of an entire planet.
  • Another participant reflects on the complexities of utilizing gravity for space travel and the challenges of astronomical observations over vast distances.
  • Some participants express philosophical thoughts about the nature of reality as perceived through astronomical observations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of gravitational force and its dependence on mass and distance, but there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of these principles, particularly concerning the nature of the Moon's orbit and the strength of gravity at different distances.

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Some statements reflect a mix of qualitative and quantitative reasoning, with participants emphasizing the need for calculations to compare gravitational forces in different scenarios. There is also a blend of conceptual understanding and personal reflections on the implications of gravity and space exploration.

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If gravity of the Earth is so powerful to hold the moon in orbit, why does she not drag in & squash to smitherings all on its surface?

Please forgive my ignorance, ......nick
 
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nichos said:
If gravity of the Earth is so powerful to hold the moon in orbit, why does she not drag in & squash to smitherings all on its surface?

Please forgive my ignorance, ......nick

The gravitational force (due to the Earth) is proportional to the mass of the other object. In particular, this means that the force on the Moon is proportional to the mass of the Moon; and the force on a person on the surface is proportional to the mass of the person.

When you hear that "gravity is constant", it means the acceleration due to gravity is constant. The force is, therefore, greater for larger objects in proportion to their mass.
 
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nichos said:
If gravity of the Earth is so powerful to hold the moon in orbit, why does she not drag in & squash to smitherings all on its surface?

Please forgive my ignorance, ......nick

There appears to be two factors here that you do not seem to understand. And this comes from not knowing the description of gravitational force.

F = \frac{GMm}{r^{2}}

First, this force depends on the two masses (M and m) involved, such as Earth-Moon, or Earth-person. The force on the moon due to the Earth is different than the force on a person due to the earth, because the mass of a person is significantly less than the mass of the moon.

Secondly, it depends on the distance between the two entities (r). The further away the two entities, the weaker the gravitational force.

So to make the comparison between the two, you actually have to sit down and calculate the force of gravity for those two situations. You are not comparing apples to apples here because of those two variations.

This is a clear example where physics involves not just a qualitative, conceptual understanding, but also a quantitative aspect (i.e. numbers).

Zz.
 
Also, the moon travels away from Earth at about 4cm per year.
 
Thanx both for making the effort.

Mass is the point. ...nick
 
One thing to note is that the acceleration of any object at a distance from the Earth of 384,000 km (semi-major axis of the Moon's orbit) is only 0.0028 m/s2. This includes the Moon. The acceleration at the surface of Earth is 9.81 m/s2. This fact is why a spacecraft in low Earth orbit has to travel at roughly 7-8 km/s to stay in orbit while the Moon only travels at about 1 km/s. One way to think about it is that the slow speed gives gravity much more time to act on an object. If you're moving at 8 km/s out near the Moon, gravity simply can't change your direction of motion fast enough to prevent you from shooting off into interplanetary space. You move away from the Earth so fast that the force of gravity falls off too quickly to keep you in orbit.

So one could say that the strength of Earth's gravity isn't that powerful when you're 380,000 km away. In fact it's quite weak. It's just that the Moon is traveling relatively slow, giving this weak gravity plenty of time to act, keeping the Moon in its orbit.
 
Thanx,

How interesting, I suppose this is comparatively easy compared with the complexities of utilising gravity to atract & shoot off to another & another... encounter to get you to where you want to go. Mind bogling to a mear mortal how they calculate all these things.

Similarly, is how much were doing when computers had less power that a small mobile.

Also when they extract info from objects thou. or billions of light years away & already dead just as long in Earth time. I can't get over that what I see when I look up is not real but, only the sparks of long ago.

My N.Geogr. chart of the universe on the wall blows my mind away each time I look at it, & that's what only we thing there is. ...nick
 
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The moon isn't stationary. If it were then the Earth's gravity would pull it down to a spectacular collision (which we wouldn't survive).

Roughly speaking the moon is moving sideways. The combination of the moon's motion and the Earth's gravity means that the moon essentially falls forever in a circle around the earth.
 
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Nature is full of large coincidences.
 
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nichos said:
Nature is full of large coincidences.

It's not a coincidence, as such, that the Earth has a Moon. Some planets have no moons and some have many. There is a range of velocities that would lead an object to be held in orbit. The Sun, for example, has everything from close planets to distant planets, an asteroid belt, and comets that travel in very large orbits over hundreds or thousands of years.
 
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nichos said:
Also when they extract info from objects thou. or billions of light years away & already dead just as long in Earth time. I can't get over that what I see when I look up is not real but, only the sparks of long ago.
...nick

Note that from a physics perspective it's real in every sense of the word. What you envision beyond those "sparks of long ago" is just imagination.
 
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Eric Bretschneider said:
The moon isn't stationary. If it were then the Earth's gravity would pull it down to a spectacular collision (which we wouldn't survive).

Roughly speaking the moon is moving sideways. The combination of the moon's motion and the Earth's gravity means that the moon essentially falls forever in a circle around the earth.
I agree except it isn't a circle, it's an ellipse. The same mass that the gravity acts on also affects the moon's momentum. It wants to travel straight, but the Earth's gravity makes it curve, so it falls around the earth.
 
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Gravity is quite weak. A human can overcome the gravity of an entire planet.
 
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CWatters said:
Gravity is quite weak. A human can overcome the gravity of an entire planet.
Yeah but it gets harder and harder as the years go by. :smile:
 
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Yeah, eventually quite a lot of humans sink below the surface of the planet.
 
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